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Old 09-23-2011, 04:05 PM   #1
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Default My top ten Heavyweight Champs ( for now )

Ali
Holmes
Dempsey
Louis
Frazier
Liston
Marciano
Holyfield
Tyson
Charles
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:37 PM   #2
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Surprised to see louis and rocky so low. Nice to see charles enter at ten.

What's your criteria?

My list is

Louis
Ali
Rocky
Johnson
Holmes
Foreman
Lewis
Tyson
Holyfield
Dempsey
Frazier
Liston
Wlad
Sullivan
Jeffries
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Dempsey's reign is over Louis's?
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:15 PM   #4
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Dempsey's reign is over Louis's?
Hard to see, unless you consider historical impact.
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Hard to see, unless you consider historical impact.
Louis had more of impact comapred to Dempsey in my opinion. The more people see how black athletes behave today, the more and more Joe get appreciated
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Ali
Holmes
Dempsey
Louis
Frazier
Liston
Marciano
Holyfield
Tyson
Charles
I dont really see how Frazier can possibly rank ahead of Foreman who is unranked.

The ommission of Lewis but inclusion of Holyfield is probably arguable but very surprising.

I am guessing that the exclussion of Jeffries and Johnson and co means that Dempsey is the cut off point for consideration.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:30 PM   #7
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My criteria is soley based on who I think is the best fighter. It has nothing to do with title defenses,era's or anything of that nature.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:31 PM   #8
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I dont really see how Frazier can possibly rank ahead of Foreman who is unranked.

The ommission of Lewis but inclusion of Holyfield is probably arguable but very surprising.

I am guessing that the exclussion of Jeffries and Johnson and co means that Dempsey is the cut off point for consideration.
Jeffries impresses me. Lewis I feel is very overated.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:05 PM   #9
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Dempsey got outboxed by an obese ex-flyweight and knocked out in the first round by a fireman.
I'm sure he's an awesome fighter, but why isn't Tunney ahead? He has a good chance against any heavyweight you care to mention.
I was actually thinking of putting him there instead of Charles. But I went with Ez. 2day.
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So it's a h2h list? Ok my h2h list is

Louis
Ali
Liston
Tyson
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Wlad
Vitali
Holyfield (new found appreciation of his outside lateral game)
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H2H in their primes my list is:

Vitali
Vlad
Lewis
Ali
Foreman
Holmes
Holyfield
Louis
Tyson
Marciano

I struggled with my top three, and Tyson and Louis.

I think Chris Arreola could have cleaned out the division prior to Louis, H2H in their primes. Just too much size, power and the evolution of boxing skills over the last century.

P.S. I know I am in trouble over this one, LOL. But that's the way I see it.

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Old 09-23-2011, 07:25 PM   #12
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H2H in their primes my list is:

Vitali
Vlad
Lewis
Ali
Foreman
Holmes
Holyfield
Louis
Tyson
Marciano

I struggled with my top three, and Tyson and Louis.

I think Chris Arreola could have cleaned out the division prior to Louis, H2H in their primes. Just too much size, power and the evolution of boxing skills over the last century.

P.S. I know I am in trouble over this one, LOL. But that's the way I see it.
Arreola? Really?

If you're talking about 'evolution' and size differences then how is it that Adamek beat him? How is it also that you can have Wlad as the number 2 best H2H heavyweight? Can you at least explain it?
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Arreola? Really?

If you're talking about 'evolution' and size differences then how is it that Adamek beat him? How is it also that you can have Wlad as the number 2 best H2H heavyweight? Can you at least explain it?
I think Adamek would have cleaned out the division before Louis as well. He would have been a pretty big heavyweight back then, and his skills are way higher if you look at the old videos and compare them to Adamek's fights on video.

I guess I just like Vitali better than Wlad. I think if they ever fought "at their primes", big brother would win. But it's really a toss-up, like I said, between Lewis, Wlad and Vitali for numbers 1,2 and 3 on my list.

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Louis had more of impact comapred to Dempsey in my opinion. The more people see how black athletes behave today, the more and more Joe get appreciated
From what ive read he had no choice, he was told if he spoke to much or made problems like jack johnson had he would be in trouble, i may be wrong here mind, but i saw it on some documentry ages ago, no way did america want another noisy in your face black man. Am i right here at all ?
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From what ive read he had no choice, he was told if he spoke to much or made problems like jack johnson had he would be in trouble, i may be wrong here mind, but i saw it on some documentry ages ago, no way did america want another noisy in your face black man. Am i right here at all ?

yes you are. and the documentry you speak of was the HBO special that aired back in 07 or 08.

he couldnt gloat over opponents yes. However if you looked at Joe's mellow attitude it just didnt seem like him to be obnoxious. I dont hink he was the puppet that some people have made hom out to be in that documentry. Because of people saying he was ap uppet most in the black community called him a "uncle tom" in the 60's and 70's. Most notably Ali called him that!
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