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Old 09-24-2011, 05:11 PM   #31
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Ali
Holmes
Dempsey
Louis
Frazier
Liston
Marciano
Holyfield
Tyson
Charles
IMO Liston is a top 15 ATG on account of his 1960 wins but that is it. Patterson was no better against sonny than liston himself was against ali in the rematch! people say "did ali fight the real liston?" They never say "did liston EVER fight the real patterson!"

The three worst efforts on record in HW title fights was the one rounders involving patterson against liston and liston against ali. the winners beat nothing in those fights -yet 70% of Listons legend was made from two of them.

imo Liston is still riding on a lot of revised 1980s tyson chic.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:26 AM   #32
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Thanks, Luf. Non illegitimus parvus carborundrum!

With my Arreola reference I was just stating, perhaps with a bit too much hyperbole, my conviction that boxing, especially in the HW division, has come a long way in the past 75 or 80 years. I'm surprised that some people don't seem to be able to accept that.
I teach maths not latin

In a sport based on two men fighting each other I think advancements are overstated.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:56 AM   #33
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I teach maths not latin

In a sport based on two men fighting each other I think advancements are overstated.
Yeah, I'm no latin master, either, but "Non illegitimus parvus carborundum" means "Don't let the little bastards grind you down".
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:07 AM   #34
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imo Liston is still riding on a lot of revised 1980s tyson chic.
early on in my existence here I preached this to much derision.
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Old 09-28-2011, 11:38 AM   #35
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Ali up to Frazier 2 = enlarged but lesser Jimmy Young with more dirty tricks in his bag . or will a lesser Herol Graham with luck fit d bill better ?
Jimmy Young = lesser albeit enlarged Pernell Whitaker .
(1974 and on) Ali = enlarged Hopkins minus d head
Liston = Rahman
Folley = Barrett
Cleveland Williams = taller Darroll Wilson
Lyle = lesser Ross Puritty
Patterson , Ellis , Charles = skilled supermiddles/lightheavies fighting at cruiser vs. their own kind
Shavers , Cream = skilled but clean cruisers paying for their clean style
Louis = lesser , darker but bigger Kelly Pavlik minus d alcoholism and minus d punch resistance with a tad bit more skill .
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