Anderson Silva vs. Jon Jones at LHW

[EL BULLY]

Of all the differnt techniques in MMA, the only one where size is actually a definate advantage is wretling. Speed and timing can negate a size difference standing up and skills can overcome size in a BJJ match. But JJ when on the ground does exactly what he wants againt fully blown LHW's. How easily he mounted Rampage was scary. Full mount is usually a position a fighter will have to work for. JJ just does it with ease. AS will get fucking destroyed by JJ. Anyone that thinks different is fucking stupid. JJ is massive for a LHW never mind a MW coming up, I don't care who that MW is.

[chimba]

Originally Posted by greathamza

Silva started training muay thai when he was around 15 so im pretty sure he had better striking than Jones at 23

Just because he did MT at 15 doesnt mean Jones isnt better at 24. Look at Rampage last night, he was hurting from his temple to his fuckn toe. He was so hurt by that foot stomp, he lifted and hid his foot asap. This kid was jabbing with the front kick and almost hyper-extended Rampages knee. So I would argue that Jones is the better MMA striker than Silva at 24 years of age.

[dillinja]

Originally Posted by kel

Jones is a bigger better version of Silva

Fight would not even be competitive.

Jones is not really like that at all

[dillinja]

Originally Posted by chimba

Just because he did MT at 15 doesnt mean Jones isnt better at 24. Look at Rampage last night, he was hurting from his temple to his fuckn toe. He was so hurt by that foot stomp, he lifted and hid his foot asap. This kid was jabbing with the front kick and almost hyper-extended Rampages knee. So I would argue that Jones is the better MMA striker than Silva at 24 years of age.

No way is jones as good a striker as silva, just because jones is more powerful it doesn't make him a better striker.

[chimba]

Originally Posted by dillinja

No way is jones as good a striker as silva, just because jones is more powerful it doesn't make him a better striker.

at 24 years of age?? gave a beating to Rua and Rampage back to back?

then thats your opinion.

[dillinja]

Originally Posted by chimba

at 24 years of age?? gave a beating to Rua and Rampage back to back?

then thats your opinion.

Not really he didn't beat them just because of his striking, he beat them because of his size, strength, wrestling ability and striking. People worry about striking with him because he can take them down so easily that doesn't make him the best striker.

Also its not like he has beaten peak rua and rampage either is it.

[boxingcar]

Anderson cuts to fight at MW (and should be fighting as a LHW)
Jon Jones is too skinny for his size and should be fighting at HW.

[TheUnstoppable]

Even with the reach and height disadvantage I think Silva has the striking advantage; his reflexes, timing and creativity are nuts. A lot of what Jones does is flashy but not as effective as it comes across, mainly because he was SO MUCH room to do it in that he never pays for it. Jones revels in his height and reach - he thrives on it mentally and loves taking away his opponents will to fight. I'm not so sure he'd be in this position with Silva - he'd be trying to play a lot of games with a guy that's proven to be better at them than himself.

Silva's biggest weakness, as we all know and agree, is strong, explosive wrestlers. Jones is a strong explosive wrestler who would certain be able to take Silva to the mat. Silva uses a very active guard both for submissions and striking, so I don't think he'd be as much a victim as any of Jones other opponents. He would definitely want to avoid that position though.

I think i'd pick Silva over his experience and what he's shown that he can do. Jones did great against Rampage but Quinton is one dimensional, a rather ponderous slugger coming off two mediocre wins yet still managed to all but take away Jones wrestling (though Rampages TDD and strength are legendary). We all know what Silva is capable of (and he seems to do it better every time we see him), with his fights in mind I just cannot pick agaisnt him.

I'd LOVE to see this fight though.

[MetalMandible]

Jones fucks him up. Anderson doesn't have the takedown defense to keep it upright where he would probably win, so that means they go to the mat and Silva's typical body triangle and stall ground strategy doesn't work due to Jones' length and ability to throw fight-enders from guard.

[Hookercut]

Jones would get it to the ground and destroy Anderson on the ground.

[ufoalf]

Anderson Silva want NONE of that.

[BobDigi5060]

Originally Posted by chimba

at 24 years of age?? gave a beating to Rua and Rampage back to back?

then thats your opinion.

Until Jones is ending fights with face kicks, nose breaking knees from the clinch, moving up in weight and blowing out UFC talent in the 1st round.. I'll give this second thought.

Not to say he wouldn't beat Silva based on youth and a size advantage.

[BodyBlaster]

Jones looked way better than he is v Rampage, as Rampage is completely predictable and his footspeed to get in to range is just not there.
Rampage needs to add kicks to his game, needs to add a jab and rather than just move his head, move his feet! Against someone with a massive reach advantage, making them miss when your still out of range is pointless.

Silva is much better than Jones, but I think Jones being so much bigger would be a slight fav.
If Silva attacked Jones legs I think he'd find a lot of success there.

[196osh]

Originally Posted by BodyBlaster

If Silva attacked Jones legs I think he'd find a lot of success there.

He would get put on his back very quickly if he went after Jones with leg kicks.

[MetalMandible]

Originally Posted by BodyBlaster

Jones looked way better than he is v Rampage, as Rampage is completely predictable and his footspeed to get in to range is just not there.
Rampage needs to add kicks to his game, needs to add a jab and rather than just move his head, move his feet! Against someone with a massive reach advantage, making them miss when your still out of range is pointless.

Silva is much better than Jones, but I think Jones being so much bigger would be a slight fav.
If Silva attacked Jones legs I think he'd find a lot of success there.

Silva is better standing, that's it. He's not a better wrestler, he's not a better ground grappler, and he's not bigger or stronger. Yes, Silva probably could chop out those chicken legs if Jones indulged him standing but at this point in time Jones is not the Thai boxer Silva is and he'd be pretty foolish to go that avenue when he could dump him at will and fuck him up. Watch Sonnen/Silva and then replace feather fisted Sonnen with a huge 205er who mashes dudes instantaneously with elbows and tell me that you think this match-up would even be close.