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Old 09-26-2011, 08:00 PM   #1
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Default How do you rate fighters?

Here's how I try and classify fighters-

'A' level

-Fighters that have won titles and defended them at multiple weights.

-Fighters that have been dominant at their chosen weight class.

'B' Level

-Fighters that have won a title but didn't defend or chose to defend against light opposition.
-Fighters that seemed to have the tools in which to become an 'A' fighter but for reasons didn't quite manage it.

'C' Level or 'gatekeeper'

-Usually a top domestic fighter that has at least once challenged for a world title.
-Fighters that are their to provide a stern test (with a strong possibility of an upset) for an up and coming young fighter.

Journeyman

-Fighter that may at one time have been a prospect but never quite amounted to anything significant.
-Is known enough and potentially tough enough to be a named opponent on a fighters record.

Cans

-Fighters that usually don't amount to anything.


Obviously there will be cases where certain fighters couldn't really be put in any of the categories or fighters that would fit inbetween them. Anyone disagree with this?
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Old 09-26-2011, 09:57 PM   #2
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I have too much respect for anyone who steps between the ropes to ridicule them as a 'can.'

One thing that I really, really don't like about the game today as opposed to just a couple of decades ago is that now pretty much every card from the club level to PPV every fight has an angle. It's the guy who is supposed to win vs. an opponent. Sure, some PPVs have toss-up main events, but that's it.

It wasn't always this way. Not too terribly long ago, a lot of cards, even casino-level cards, had 2 or 3 or 4 fights on the undercard that were evenly matched. Could be too guys with .500 records, but it would be a good scrap. And a lot of your so-called cans are actually decent fighters when matched with below-world-talent opponents and given enough notice to train (the sport's real dirty little secret is that so many undercard fights on big cards pit prospects against guys who signed that week and had no time to really prepare). So a 17-5 record in 1975 or 1987 might be a guy who was a live opponent, because he'd been in competitive fights. Today, it's more likely a guy who has a local promote who got him 17 wins so he could take 5 paydays.

Sad.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:09 PM   #3
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the biggest criteria I use is quality of opposition and did they beat that quality. That is why I rate SRL so high.
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I have too much respect for anyone who steps between the ropes to ridicule them as a 'can.'

One thing that I really, really don't like about the game today as opposed to just a couple of decades ago is that now pretty much every card from the club level to PPV every fight has an angle. It's the guy who is supposed to win vs. an opponent. Sure, some PPVs have toss-up main events, but that's it.

It wasn't always this way. Not too terribly long ago, a lot of cards, even casino-level cards, had 2 or 3 or 4 fights on the undercard that were evenly matched. Could be too guys with .500 records, but it would be a good scrap. And a lot of your so-called cans are actually decent fighters when matched with below-world-talent opponents and given enough notice to train (the sport's real dirty little secret is that so many undercard fights on big cards pit prospects against guys who signed that week and had no time to really prepare). So a 17-5 record in 1975 or 1987 might be a guy who was a live opponent, because he'd been in competitive fights. Today, it's more likely a guy who has a local promote who got him 17 wins so he could take 5 paydays.

Sad.
This is what I had in mind when I put the term 'can'

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Fighters that fight for peanuts and put their health at risk.
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Old 09-27-2011, 12:46 AM   #5
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In order: Dominance. Longevity. Resume. Head to head.

Edit: My bad. Thought it said "rank". Carry on.

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I have too much respect for anyone who steps between the ropes to ridicule them as a 'can.'

One thing that I really, really don't like about the game today as opposed to just a couple of decades ago is that now pretty much every card from the club level to PPV every fight has an angle. It's the guy who is supposed to win vs. an opponent. Sure, some PPVs have toss-up main events, but that's it.

It wasn't always this way. Not too terribly long ago, a lot of cards, even casino-level cards, had 2 or 3 or 4 fights on the undercard that were evenly matched. Could be too guys with .500 records, but it would be a good scrap. And a lot of your so-called cans are actually decent fighters when matched with below-world-talent opponents and given enough notice to train (the sport's real dirty little secret is that so many undercard fights on big cards pit prospects against guys who signed that week and had no time to really prepare). So a 17-5 record in 1975 or 1987 might be a guy who was a live opponent, because he'd been in competitive fights. Today, it's more likely a guy who has a local promote who got him 17 wins so he could take 5 paydays.

Sad.
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This is what I had in mind when I put the term 'can'

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This is what I would call a profesional opponent, the back bone of boxing at small town level. These guys fight often enough to know what they are doing. Outside of champions they are the only guys who make a living from the actual purse and are a lot better than given credit for-only they fight like sparring partners and give homeboys a workout. some of them see it for what it is, know how to stay safe, know when to take a knee and put on a show but sadly a lot of them get caught up into fights they wont win and keep getting hurt.

There is a level below them that is for sure. The ones who never fought amatuer and dont win fights ever, but they dont last.
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Old 09-27-2011, 03:53 AM   #8
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A tier system which is pretty much open at the bottom.
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I like to look at quality of opposition defeated, my own interpretation of their H2H ability, longevity and their ability to perform in a way which separates them from their peers.
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Who they fought

When they fought them

Dominance in their weight

How they would do against greats in their division
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dick size (no homo)
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ERA's

Champion's, (Longievity)
Top Contender's, (Longievity)
Competion, and facts re-fights, peak or not, out of division or not, questionable decisions or not.

LONGIEVITY

always & only H2H, who is 'likely' to beat who more often than not!
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