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Old 09-27-2011, 03:44 PM   #1
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Default What if the colour line had been drawn the oppisite way.

Imagine that Peter Jackson had been given the shot at Sullivan instead of Corrbett in 92, and won which was very likely, and drew the colour line (refused to fight white fighters). For the sake of the question say this colour line remained until Louis retired and Charles and Walcott fought and Marciano went on to beat Walcott.

How would the face of Heavyweight boxing changed. Who would have beat Jackson and beaten him and beaten him. Would Jefferies been able to bring the title back to the white race or Dempsey or Fitzsimmons.


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Old 09-27-2011, 03:48 PM   #2
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Jackson would never have been allowed such a bold move.
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Old 09-27-2011, 03:52 PM   #3
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Fun scenario. I'd guess that Hank Griffin, Denver Ed and Bob Armstrong compete for the titles until Jack Johnson comes along. Jeannette, McVea & Langford will get their shots and Wills will reign from the mid 1910s to the mid 1920s until George Godfrey and Larry Gains.

It's difficult to say who would be the champ by the time Joe Louis came along. You could argue that there would be a greater amount of coloured boxers competing in the heavyweight division had the "colour line" been drawn the other way.
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Old 09-27-2011, 03:53 PM   #4
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Jackson would never have been allowed such a bold move.
Oh of course, he wouldnt, despite being possibly the number 1 challenger Sullivan would never give him a shot, but hypothetically.
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Old 09-27-2011, 03:55 PM   #5
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Dempsey would have fought Greb 29 times
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Old 09-27-2011, 04:33 PM   #7
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Jackson retires as champion because noone else was really at his level until he was fighting jeffries.

Johnson gets an earlier shot at james and beats him. He loses to the winner of langford v jeanette who loses to wills who reigns until the sharkey fight.

Maybe the second godfrey gets a shot earlier.
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:03 PM   #8
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Fun scenario. I'd guess that Hank Griffin, Denver Ed and Bob Armstrong compete for the titles until Jack Johnson comes along. Jeannette, McVea & Langford will get their shots and Wills will reign from the mid 1910s to the mid 1920s until George Godfrey and Larry Gains.

It's difficult to say who would be the champ by the time Joe Louis came along. You could argue that there would be a greater amount of coloured boxers competing in the heavyweight division had the "colour line" been drawn the other way.
I dont see how Armstrong and Griffin can hold the title, when Jeffries actually knocked them both out. I think that his reign is unavoidable. (maybe he would be the Johnson of the time), making Johnson the great black hope, or actually, more likely Peter Jackson out of retirement to face a young Jeffries is more realistic, and we know how that finished. Assuming hate shows for Jeffries, Johnson is the best hope or maybe even McVey to stop him, as he gets older and trains more easily. Although to match up with Johnson's time frame, he would fight the deadly trio (or quado) early in their careers, when they were not ready and not rematch.

Realistically, I think that Wills probably sits as the best placed fighter to break the jeffries reign.
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Dempsey would have fought Greb 29 times


Fun thread. I agree with GreatA. Dempsey would have had the best chance of persuading "black America" to let him have a title shot. Probably the draft dodge would have kept him out of it.
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Fun thread. I agree with GreatA. Dempsey would have had the best chance of persuading "black America" to let him have a title shot. Probably the draft dodge would have kept him out of it.
whooa, wait a sec...Jack Dempsey was a draft dodger?
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:45 PM   #11
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whooa, wait a sec...Jack Dempsey was a draft dodger?


They even posed him doing "war-work" for a publicity photograph...unfortunately Jack even forgot to change his patent-leather shoes for the disastrous picture.
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:47 PM   #12
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Boxing would have seen its "first" golden era.
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Old 09-27-2011, 05:51 PM   #13
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Boxing would have seen its "first" golden era.
It would have been significantly more damaging than the way that the colour line was actualy drawn.

There was a derth of talent in the coloured heavyweight division, between the period where Peter Jackson started drinking himself to death and the rize of the black dynamite crew.

Whatever you think of Corbett, Fitzsimmons and Jeffries, they were two teirs better than the top black contenders of the time such as George Byers, Bob Armstrong, Frank Childs and Joe Butler. That could have been a truly terible era.
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Dempsey would have fought Greb 29 times
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Jackson retires as champion because noone else was really at his level until he was fighting jeffries.

Johnson gets an earlier shot at james and beats him. He loses to the winner of langford v jeanette who loses to wills who reigns until the sharkey fight.

Maybe the second godfrey gets a shot earlier.
This! Langford would no longer be considered the greatest boxer never to win a world title.
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