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Old 09-28-2011, 04:10 AM   #1
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Default Ricardo Lopez undeated champion

all the talk these days about mayweather. does any one remember ricardo lopez from the 1990's. he defended his title 41 times and retired undefeated. he fought every tough s.o.b in his weight division.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:21 AM   #2
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His weight division is a meaningless waste of time. He had the frame to move up, and should've done.

Carbajal and Chiquita wouldve been nice, Arbachakov even moreso.

Undefeated=Overrated achievement
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His weight division is a meaningless waste of time. He had the frame to move up, and should've done.

Carbajal and Chiquita wouldve been nice, Arbachakov even moreso.

Undefeated=Overrated achievement
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:26 AM   #4
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...It's a troll, guys.
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:28 AM   #5
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Old 09-28-2011, 04:32 AM   #6
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"41 times"

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Old 09-28-2011, 04:46 AM   #8
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Spot on about Carbajal and Gonzalez. Lopez could've and should've fought both but didn't.

That said I give neither man much of a chance to have beaten Lopez either. Lopez was as complete a fighter as you'd ever want to see. Beautiful defensively, superb footwork, fantastic punching technique and a complete ring general, he simply had it all.

His fights with the fierce Rosendo Alvarez were both high class, razor close fights and showed that Lopez had what it took to suck it up when a bloke wasn't the slightest bit in awe of his mastery.

Still he did have some decent names on his belt and some devestating wins but you guys are right in saying that he really lacked that marquee name that would have banished all doubts as to how good he really was.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:11 AM   #9
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Yep. Plus a rare breed that kept his weight pretty much his whole career. It's the guys that move up divisions that have the losses. And most guys in that weight class are washed up at 25.

As for the Carbajal/Gonzalez matches. First off, you need guys to sign contracts. Second, why not ask those guys to jump up to bantam as well and see how they do?
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:19 AM   #10
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Yep. Plus a rare breed that kept his weight pretty much his whole career. It's the guys that move up divisions that have the losses. And most guys in that weight class are washed up at 25.

As for the Carbajal/Gonzalez matches. First off, you need guys to sign contracts. Second, why not ask those guys to jump up to bantam as well and see how they do?
which is what i thought myself
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Never heard of him.
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:35 PM   #12
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As for the Carbajal/Gonzalez matches. First off, you need guys to sign contracts. Second, why not ask those guys to jump up to bantam as well and see how they do?
They didn't really have any reason to? The Super Flyweight division had plenty of good fighters during the early to mid 90s, whereas Lopez was operating in a barren wasteland. The money fights, the big fights, were at 108lbs. It makes no sense to me that Lopez wouldn't want to put on a few extra pounds and fight for 2-3 times as much money as he's used to, and to establish a strong legacy. Perhaps he wasn't as confident as all of his fans were of victory.
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Old 09-28-2011, 02:14 PM   #13
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The guy cleaned out his division. He was undefeated as a pro. He was undefeated as an amateur.

So you think guys like Hagler/Monzon, etc. are not worthy top shelf because they kept their weight and did not move up? Tell me, how do the heavies move up a wieightclass in this scenario? And the cruiser division limits a guy to only moving up 1 division as well.\
Go look at all the recent champs with lengthy title runs and look at how many fought at their optimal weight--Ottke. Calzaghe pretty much all 168. The Hopkins run at middle. Lopez. It's the guys that move up that have the losses. Why penalaize guys with the discipline to train hard to stay in their division for years and years and years?
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They didn't really have any reason to? The Super Flyweight division had plenty of good fighters during the early to mid 90s, whereas Lopez was operating in a barren wasteland. The money fights, the big fights, were at 108lbs. It makes no sense to me that Lopez wouldn't want to put on a few extra pounds and fight for 2-3 times as much money as he's used to, and to establish a strong legacy. Perhaps he wasn't as confident as all of his fans were of victory.
I heard Lopez called for those matches. They were the ones at fault. At least Carbajal.
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The guy cleaned out his division. He was undefeated as a pro. He was undefeated as an amateur.

So you think guys like Hagler/Monzon, etc. are not worthy top shelf because they kept their weight and did not move up? Tell me, how do the heavies move up a wieightclass in this scenario? And the cruiser division limits a guy to only moving up 1 division as well.\
Go look at all the recent champs with lengthy title runs and look at how many fought at their optimal weight--Ottke. Calzaghe pretty much all 168. The Hopkins run at middle. Lopez. It's the guys that move up that have the losses. Why penalaize guys with the discipline to train hard to stay in their division for years and years and years?
Indeed.
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