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Old 10-07-2011, 03:12 PM   #31
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Will people suspect Margarito more to put something inside his gloves to beat Cotto in their first fight than they have done before?

I'm sure they will. Even though it's terrible logic to use that as some form of 'proof'.
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:15 PM   #32
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If Cotto wins, they'll say its because Margarito didn't have his wraps. If Margarito wins, they'll say its because he softened Cotto up, or that Cotto suffered from psychological damage due to being hit with bricks in the first fight...

...so basically, a lose-lose situation for Margarito. I think Cotto is going to win, but by no means will he thrash AM, or try to seek vengeance for what supposedly happened in the first fight. Cotto will stick and move, stick and move...cruise to a UD.

Margarito will not win, Margarito had wraps through out his entire career prior to being caught right before the Shane bout. The proof is in the performance,(game don't lie) post Shane he has never been able to demonstrate the brutal power he was notorious for....The only thing he has going for him is his chin....
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:16 PM   #33
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When you get caught with plaster in your wraps everything deservedly becomes a lose lose situation
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:26 PM   #34
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It depends on how much he will be able to hurt Cotto this fight if he is able to land a lot of punches which I suspect he will. If Cotto can all of a sudden handle his punches then that will lead us to believe something wasn't right the first fight.
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:41 PM   #35
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It depends on how much he will be able to hurt Cotto this fight if he is able to land a lot of punches which I suspect he will. If Cotto can all of a sudden handle his punches then that will lead us to believe something wasn't right the first fight.
And if Tony sees this happening, will it have any psycological effect on him in the ring?
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:30 PM   #36
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Margarito will not win, Margarito had wraps through out his entire career prior to being caught right before the Shane bout. The proof is in the performance,(game don't lie) post Shane he has never been able to demonstrate the brutal power he was notorious for....The only thing he has going for him is his chin....
That's what I've noticed too. Margarito didn't have the power to hurt his opponents anymore.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:36 PM   #37
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I havent seen the first bout in quite some time but I don't recall Margo leaving the fight looking like roses. I remember his face and eyes swolleen and quite damaged. This was on Cotto's backfoot. I don't expect Cotto to push foward but if he can get some side to side movement while moving forward he may be able to generate more power.
Cotto ended margaritos career that night...plain an simple Margarito was born to die in the ring, and he doesn't care if he dies in it honestly.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:42 PM   #38
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Margarito will not win, Margarito had wraps through out his entire career prior to being caught right before the Shane bout. The proof is in the performance,(game don't lie) post Shane he has never been able to demonstrate the brutal power he was notorious for....The only thing he has going for him is his chin....
you're exactly right, people want to wait for the cotto fight for proof and to make a decision but we dont have to... since getting caught margo has looked average and havent even droped or cut any of his opponents and was even moving around trying to box roberto garcia instead of fighting like the bull he was before getting caught

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Old 10-07-2011, 10:39 PM   #39
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It depends. If Cotto beats Margarito in a similar war, taking similar amounts of punches, but his face doesn't come close to resembling the mess it was in the first fight, then yes, that's more ammunition for the people who think he had bricks all along.

But if he beats Margarito and his face looks the same again, then we're still probably where we're at now. It won't do anything to prove Margarito's innocense. Because, as Pacquiao proved, Cotto's face can become disfigured like that without needing to load your gloves.


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I agree with the bolded. But to answer the second paragraph, the swelling that Cotto's face goes through now could be a result of the damage he took versus Tony. Similar to how scare tissue cuts easier.


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Old 10-07-2011, 10:41 PM   #40
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The fact he got nuked by Mosley in a couple rounds was proof enough that he used concrete.
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Old 10-07-2011, 11:36 PM   #41
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Cotto will beat Margacheato. I mean common when tht HBO commentator 'If i was 50 years younger i'd beat your ass' Larry when he interviewed Margacheato he said he had adequate sparing and the adequate MANOPLA glove. Manopla being the keyword here....

Btw doesn't manopla sound like monopoly?
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Old 10-08-2011, 04:41 AM   #42
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You kidding? Watch the fight again, you'll see alot of great movement from Cotto there. It's just that Margarito's constant pressure is too much for him.
BTW, Cotto has better head movement than Pacquiao IMO.
Erm...re-read my sentence before you ask me to rewatch the bout. Apart from us somewhat disagreeing about how great Cotto's head movement is, you have just repeated what I said. Cotto did show some good movement and evasion skills during the first half of the bout, but like I SAID, when Cotto is/was under constant fire, his head movement goes to shite, and this is when clinching needs to come in to play...Cotto just does not initiate clinches though.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:11 AM   #43
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Erm...re-read my sentence before you ask me to rewatch the bout. Apart from us somewhat disagreeing about how great Cotto's head movement is, you have just repeated what I said. Cotto did show some good movement and evasion skills during the first half of the bout, but like I SAID, when Cotto is/was under constant fire, his head movement goes to shite, and this is when clinching needs to come in to play...Cotto just does not initiate clinches though.
Good observation! Yes, Cotto's head movement was gone after he ate a lot of Margarito's uppercuts in late rounds.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:17 AM   #44
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When you get caught with plaster in your wraps everything deservedly becomes a lose lose situation
CORRECTAMENTE!! Thank you!
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