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Old 10-08-2011, 04:55 AM   #31
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Oh shit yeah Mitchell. That was a short but great fight.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:01 AM   #32
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There are some very good wins that Calzaghe owns. I dont think this is Calzaghes best win, but I think Calzaghes win over Byron Mitchell is underated.
Mitchell was the lineal SMW champ but lost a debateable SD to Ottke. Many felt Mitchell won and if the result had of gone Mitchells way he would have been IBF/WBA SMW champ.
Mitchell had a good SMW resume
2 time WBA SMW champ
He beat #1 Liles by KO
drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.

Saying Mitchell could possibly be Americas best SMW of the decade might not be far wrong. Its between Mitchell and Lacy.
Mitchell had never been clealy beaten as a SMW until Calzaghe got off the deck and stopped Mitchell in 2 rounds
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:05 AM   #33
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Hopkins closely followed by Kessler
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:06 AM   #34
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Eubank, Kessler, Hopkins, Mitchell, Jones, Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, are all top wins, then there are the very good world class wins over -
Veit, Brewer, Sheika, Manfredo, Starie, Bika, Mkertchyan
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:10 AM   #35
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Hopkins closely followed by Kessler
For me, I had Hopkins up in that fight. A draw at the very least.

Jeff Lacy might have been Calzaghe's finest outing, but that depends on whether you reckon Lacy was overrated or not...plenty do...
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:11 AM   #36
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Hopkins has to be first, he was ranked in the top 4 of the P4P rankings at the time Calzaghe beat him. He has since shown how good he is by dominating the then undisputed Middleweight champion as well as beating the LHW champion to regain his crown.

Kessler is second, an undefeated unified champion who since regained his title against Froch who was another undefeated champion (with wins over people like Pascal and Taylor)

Eubank, third
Reid, fourth - in my view, Reid beat Ottke and should have gone into the Calzaghe fight as WBC champion,
Lacy, fifth - just for the fact that Calzaghe was a heavy underdog and the perception of Lacy was that he would just devestate Calzaghe, Lacy was also a young undefeated champ


Then you've got a cluster of guys like Mitchell, Woodhall, Jones Jr, Bika who are all around about the same into his top 10 wins.
I think this is just about right.

I think that Lacey was a good fourth mentionable win in context over Reid. Yeah, his career went to shit after, I think partially because of the psychological effects of this fight and partially because he badly injured his arm in his next fight, but in the context of the moment, it was a good win.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:15 AM   #37
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Hopkins has to be first, he was ranked in the top 4 of the P4P rankings at the time Calzaghe beat him. He has since shown how good he is by dominating the then undisputed Middleweight champion as well as beating the LHW champion to regain his crown.

Kessler is second, an undefeated unified champion who since regained his title against Froch who was another undefeated champion (with wins over people like Pascal and Taylor)

Eubank, third
Reid, fourth - in my view, Reid beat Ottke and should have gone into the Calzaghe fight as WBC champion,
Lacy, fifth - just for the fact that Calzaghe was a heavy underdog and the perception of Lacy was that he would just devestate Calzaghe, Lacy was also a young undefeated champ


Then you've got a cluster of guys like Mitchell, Woodhall, Jones Jr, Bika who are all around about the same into his top 10 wins.
Yes, I agree with this. With the one difference that I would rank Lacy lower.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:17 AM   #38
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Eubank, Kessler, Hopkins, Mitchell, Jones, Lacy, Reid, Woodhall, are all top wins, then there are the very good world class wins over -
Veit, Brewer, Sheika, Manfredo, Starie, Bika, Mkertchyan
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:24 AM   #39
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Now back to boxing.
Mkertchyan became a top 10 SMW after he beat undefeated European champ 26-0 Chanet. Chanet had clearly beaten Tsypko who looked unlucky to many against Lacy.
Mkertchyan became European champ. When Calzaghe beat Mger he had only lost once to a fighter who became a world champ and only ever lost once after by SD.
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Old 10-08-2011, 05:34 AM   #40
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Mkertchyan became a top 10 SMW after he beat undefeated European champ 26-0 Chanet. Chanet had clearly beaten Tsypko who looked unlucky to many against Lacy.
Mkertchyan became European champ. When Calzaghe beat Mger he had only lost once to a fighter who became a world champ and only ever lost once after by SD.
Just in case I am hallucinating...

Are you really saying that Mgfrjtlt;g' MkrtchagsuD172M4+}@::N was a "world-class" fighter???

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Old 10-08-2011, 06:17 AM   #41
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Just in case I am hallucinating...

Are you really saying that Mgfrjtlt;g' MkrtchagsuD172M4+}@::N was a "world-class" fighter???

He was. As said he beat world rated J Chanet

Look at these old ratings.
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You can see Mkertchyan in the WBO top 10 but can also see Chanet in the top 10 of the WBC & WBA, it was at this time Mkertchyan beat Chanet and entered into the top 10 of the magazine ratings. I Think it was the Rings
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:21 AM   #42
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He was. As said he beat world rated J Chanet

Look at these old ratings.
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You can see Mkertchyan in the WBO top 10 but can also see Chanet in the top 10 of the WBC & WBA, it was at this time Mkertchyan beat Chanet and entered into the top 10 of the magazine ratings. I Think it was the Rings
So your definition of "world-class" is ANYONE who has ever been in the top 10 for ANY period of time, however minimal?

Seriously?
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:32 AM   #43
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So your definition of "world-class" is ANYONE who has ever been in the top 10 for ANY period of time, however minimal?

Seriously?
Wrong again. As said Mkertchyan won away against undefeated 26-0 European champ Chanet, who beat Tsypko that Lacy looked lucky to many against.
Remember it wasnt me that put Mkertchyan in the Rings top 10 after that win. Mger earnt it with a good away victory
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Wrong again. As said Mkertchyan won away against undefeated 26-0 European champ Chanet, who beat Tsypko that Lacy looked lucky to many against.
Remember it wasnt me that put Mkertchyan in the Rings top 10 after that win. Mger earnt it with a good away victory
So to you Mkergger['';[];92][cdvjn is "world-class" because of one fight, where he beat a fighter who never, ever fought for a world title?

That is to you a "world-class" fighter?
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:58 AM   #45
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Depends on your criteria, but it's probably one of Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins.

Hopkins is the best name on his resume.
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