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Old 12-12-2007, 06:44 PM   #1
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Default ESPN'S 50 Greatest Boxers of All Time...

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes Video
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

Obviously Dempsey's too high but there's plenty of interesting selections.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:49 PM   #2
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Ali should be about #8 on that list
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:51 PM   #3
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Isn't it astonishing how Stanley Ketchel rates above Tony Canzoneri?
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:52 PM   #4
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dempsey isnt even top 10 in his own weight class.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:54 PM   #5
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dempsey isnt even top 10 in his own weight class.
Nope, he's top 5
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:55 PM   #6
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I go onto Cox's website every now and then and he commented on this list and modified it a bit. Makes for some interesting reading.


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Old 12-12-2007, 06:56 PM   #7
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Nope, he's top 5
then you're top 5 is a joke. Holyfield, marciano, holmes, frazier, lewis, louis, ali , johnson, foreman all have better resumes than him. Who did he beat, jack sharkey, o ****in wow.

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Old 12-12-2007, 06:58 PM   #8
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then you're top 5 is a joke. Holyfield, marciano, holmes, frazier, lewis, louis, ali , johnson, foreman all have better resumes than him. Who did he beat, jack sharkey, o ****in wow.
Even Cox rates him in the top 5... see the link above your post.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:58 PM   #9
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1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
I think this is a very reasonable top ten, although I would switch Ali and Armstrong and I wouls switch Pep and Duran. Johnson and Dempsey, some people are going to kick about these, but this is a GREATEST list, I think it's taken into account what a fighter achieved in a wider sense. But then we have Langford which reeks of redemption and justice, rather than achievment.

John, you've called Dempsey as to high - he's not to high. But he is to high if the list also includes Langford. You know?

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11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
As always, things get softer after the top 10. What possible criteria exsists to hav Foreman as the 20th greatest fighter ever? What does that even mean - nothing. I'm also struggling to understand the placement of Marciano above Moore given the wallpaper of the list, and why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why is the great Leonard above the great Greb?

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21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
The placement of Saddler below LaMotta is freakish - this can only be the film. But ridiculous. The placement of Cerdan above Charles can only be described as ludicrous. We now see that your average ESB classic poster could put together a better list.

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31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes Video
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
I've broken this differently just so we see that Oscar has been placed above Ted Kid Lewis, always forgotten. Some more weirdness here, but nothing desperate.

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42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson
Very modern bias this section, it's like they've tried to squeeze some popular rather than deserving names in here. It's not that Jones and Whitaker and Hopkins don't deserve to be on a certain type of list, but this has really confused me as to the criteria. Is it a p4p list? If so, why is Louis/Ali so high? If not, why is Tyson below Jones? And if it's taking into consideration wider social implications (Dempsey/Johnson) why isn't Tyson in the top 15?

Most of all where is Holman Williams?

Terrible list, terrible. Your list would be far better than this John.


Obviously Dempsey's too high but there's plenty of interesting selections.[/quote]
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:00 PM   #10
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Even Cox rates him in the top 5... see the link above your post.
its called old school bias. He ranks dempsey ahead of pernell whitaker, which is batshit insane.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:02 PM   #11
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McGrain - I can definitely see the pattern in that last section. It's not a very well thought-out list; you can tell the author has just jotted down the names as they came into his head.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:03 PM   #12
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McGrain - I can definitely see the pattern in that last section. It's not a very well thought-out list; you can tell the author has just jotted down the names as they came into his head.
Shat him/themselves I would guess.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:04 PM   #13
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its called old school bias. He ranks dempsey ahead of pernell whitaker, which is batshit insane.
The are a few others Cox is "insane" on... oh well, it's just opinions anyway.
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Shat him/themselves I would guess.
Forget Holman Williams - where's Ike?
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:05 PM   #15
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The are a few others Cox is "insane" on... oh well, it's just opinions anyway.
Whitaker should be above benny leonard, let alone dempsey.
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