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Old 12-12-2007, 07:28 PM   #31
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One thing about Monte Cox - like all people he does have his bias.

For instance, he quotes a writer (Lotierzo) who says something in the words of: "Mayweather never sets a trap like Robinson vs Fulmer...". That is simply not true. Mayweather has done that several times with right hand leads and in fact did EXACTLY that when he knocked Hatton down the first time. Some people only see what they want to see.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:28 PM   #32
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The obvious one is Carlos at 45th!!!

The guy has took the hall of fame, and picked at random places for them to go. Crazy
Hagler at 35 and Monzon at 45 isn't right for starters.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:29 PM   #33
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Yeah, Manassa had Dempsey at #08 at first before correcting himself and getting the numerical order right

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Old 12-12-2007, 07:33 PM   #34
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Just because YOU don't recognise them doesn't mean they aren't as good. Cooney? WTF
spinks didnt lose to c level fighters in his prime like olivares did. Whats his best win anways, lionel rose?
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:42 PM   #35
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spinks didnt lose to c level fighters in his prime like olivares did. Whats his best win anways, lionel rose?
Don't you be dissin' on Lionel Rose buddy. He's a helluva lot better fighter than COONEY!!!!!!!!


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Old 12-12-2007, 07:48 PM   #36
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Don't you be dissin' on Lionel Rose buddy. He's a helluva lot better fighter than COONEY!!!!!!!!


doesnt matter either way, qawi larry and eddie were all p4pers when they fought spinks. Spinks would have had a much better resume anyways if it wasnt for half the division at 175 ducking him nicely, especially matthew saad muhammad.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:51 PM   #37
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doesnt matter either way, qawi larry and eddie were all p4pers when they fought spinks. Spinks would have had a much better resume anyways if it wasnt for half the division at 175 ducking him nicely, especially matthew saad muhammad.
Well i am not even going to begin to defend Olivares as you won't appreciate the finer points anyways.

You are also wrong about Saad ducking Spinks as far as i am concerned. Speculation at best, utter crap at worst.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:53 PM   #38
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Well i am not even going to begin to defend Olivares as you won't appreciate the finer points anyways.

You are also wrong about Saad ducking Spinks as far as i am concerned. Speculation at best, utter crap at worst.
no it aint utter crap, saad did avoid him. You dont have to defend olivares, i know hes a top bantamweight of all times, is he greater than spinks, no he isnt.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:27 PM   #39
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no it aint utter crap, saad did avoid him. You dont have to defend olivares, i know hes a top bantamweight of all times, is he greater than spinks, no he isnt.
Better supply your best sources that Saad avoided Spinks then.

Put em up

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Better supply your best sources that Saad avoided Spinks then.

Put em up

just watch their post fight interviews from 81-80. Spinks thrashed him in sparring too back in 1977. You notice when spinks became champ, rossman, scott, mwale, koopmans and many other contenders never tried to fight him. Back in 83-84 he also called out marvin hagler and hagler never tried to fight him, cuz he would have gotten jinxed the **** out.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:37 PM   #41
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The are a few others Cox is "insane" on... oh well, it's just opinions anyway.
Clarification of Cox's list, he makes it clear it's not his, rather he's just correcting the obvious flaws he saw in the list without attempting to re-write it.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:39 PM   #42
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One thing about Monte Cox - like all people he does have his bias.

For instance, he quotes a writer (Lotierzo) who says something in the words of: "Mayweather never sets a trap like Robinson vs Fulmer...". That is simply not true. Mayweather has done that several times with right hand leads and in fact did EXACTLY that when he knocked Hatton down the first time. Some people only see what they want to see.
Fair enough, but his comment was made before the Hatton fight.
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just watch their post fight interviews from 81-80. Spinks thrashed him in sparring too back in 1977. You notice when spinks became champ, rossman, scott, mwale, koopmans and many other contenders never tried to fight him. Back in 83-84 he also called out marvin hagler and hagler never tried to fight him, cuz he would have gotten jinxed the **** out.
What sort of proof is this? The Classic forum demands a lot better and more conclusive stuff than this. Do you realise Saad lost his title just 5 months after Spinks won his? Spinks only had 16 fights before getting his shot, one can hardly say Saad was duty bound to fight a guy with 13 or 14 fights or be accused of ducking him, no?

A closer look shows Spinks to be pounding on Saad retreads!! Take a look! Johnson, Yaqui Lopez a mere 3 months after Saad boned him out, Vonzell Johnson just 9 months after Saad gutted him, Spinks was picking on Saad's depleted victims.

Saad didn't avoid Spinks one bit.
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just watch their post fight interviews from 81-80. Spinks thrashed him in sparring too back in 1977. You notice when spinks became champ, rossman, scott, mwale, koopmans and many other contenders never tried to fight him. Back in 83-84 he also called out marvin hagler and hagler never tried to fight him, cuz he would have gotten jinxed the **** out.
What sort of proof is this? The Classic forum demands a lot better and more conclusive stuff than this. Do you realise Saad lost his title just 5 months after Spinks won his? Spinks only had 16 fights before getting his shot, one can hardly say Saad was duty bound to fight a guy with 13 or 14 fights or be accused of ducking him, no?

A closer look shows Spinks to be pounding on Saad retreads!! Take a look! Johnson, Yaqui Lopez a mere 3 months after Saad boned him out, Vonzell Johnson just 9 months after Saad gutted him, Spinks was picking on Saad's depleted victims.

Saad didn't avoid Spinks one bit. I'd bet if Saad beat Braxton Spinks would have been his next fight, or near certainly the one after. Might have been slated even.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:51 PM   #45
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What sort of proof is this? The Classic forum demands a lot better and more conclusive stuff than this. Do you realise Saad lost his title just 5 months after Spinks won his? Spinks only had 16 fights before getting his shot, one can hardly say Saad was duty bound to fight a guy with 13 or 14 fights or be accused of ducking him, no?

A closer look shows Spinks to be pounding on Saad retreads!! Take a look! Johnson, Yaqui Lopez a mere 3 months after Saad boned him out, Vonzell Johnson just 9 months after Saad gutted him, Spinks was picking on Saad's depleted victims.

Saad didn't avoid Spinks one bit. I'd bet if Saad beat Braxton Spinks would have been his next fight, or near certainly the one after. Might have been slated even.
have u seen the post fight interviews after spinks kept beating his left overs. He said sign the contract!
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