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Old 10-09-2011, 10:41 AM   #16
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Default Re: Was Vitali still using PED's when he fought Lewis?

If you've never had a serious injury you likely don't know just how powerful healers steriods are. Using it to recover from injury is a completely viable explaination.

Still completely wrong, but there's a big difference between using them to recover from injury and using on an on going basis for performance enhancing.

No, I doubt he was using them, tho ofc the only question most people will respond to is "do you like/hate the klits", that's what they'll base their answer on
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:48 AM   #17
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Haters gonna hate. But doctors records are legally available prior to competition by all ABCS, and the Olympic Commissions.

Vitali has a torn calve muscle and went to HIS DOCTOR for treatment. When he discovered the drug the doctor prescribed was on the banned list, he came clean and admitted to having used it during training. He still took the chance of being clean soas he could compete, but the drug he used stayed in his system for up to 6 weeks, and he had only quit using it 3 weeks prior to testing.

IMO, he should have simply withdrawn from the Olympic team, but his coaches urged him to at least try to pass the test citing the use was one time, and he could prove he had not used it to cheat, but to heal.

Same goes for Toney. He didn't go to some lab making roids that were undetectable, he wnet to his doctor wondering why his strength was diminishing even though he was carbing up and lifting like a SOB......he had lab test done to show he had the testosterone levels of a 65 y/o man. His doctor promptly treated him for LOW-T and he didn't quit in time to pass his tests.

It's not like EPO where the usage enhances performance weeks, even months later....the effects of one time steroid use goes away w/i about 3 weeks, and long term usage results in diminished strength and weight gain, and weakens joints, tendons catilage and about everything else.

Had Vitali been using roids all along, he's be a cripple about now, or a 300lb blimp.

But like I said......HATERS gonna HATE.
This is Vitali's version of events and you have swallowed it whole. And even if you entirely buy his account - which I don't - he is still a convicted drugs cheat. Bottom-line.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:52 AM   #18
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This is Vitali's version of events and you have swallowed it whole. And even if you entirely buy his account - which I don't - he is still a convicted drugs cheat. Bottom-line.
This is NOT Vitali's version of events.....it was the Olympic Commissions version of events. Their report clearly stated that Vitali admitted to having used them w/i weeks of the test, yet his team urged him to attempt to compete.

It was viable that the drug had cleared as he was a ONE TIME user. The Commision considered retesting, but thought it unfair that if they made that exception, true CHEATERS would be paying doctors off for excuses time after time.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:53 AM   #19
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This is Vitali's version of events and you have swallowed it whole. And even if you entirely buy his account - which I don't - he is still a convicted drugs cheat. Bottom-line.
So fcuking true.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:56 AM   #20
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This is NOT Vitali's version of events.....it was the Olympic Commissions version of events. Their report clearly stated that Vitali admitted to having used them w/i weeks of the test, yet his team urged him to attempt to compete.

It was viable that the drug had cleared as he was a ONE TIME user. The Commision considered retesting, but thought it unfair that if they made that exception, true CHEATERS would be paying doctors off for excuses time after time.
You do know Steroid users cycle off before tests, ofcourse he'd be happy to get tested again AFTER HE CYCLED OFF THEM
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:58 AM   #21
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This is NOT Vitali's version of events.....it was the Olympic Commissions version of events. Their report clearly stated that Vitali admitted to having used them w/i weeks of the test, yet his team urged him to attempt to compete.

It was viable that the drug had cleared as he was a ONE TIME user. The Commision considered retesting, but thought it unfair that if they made that exception, true CHEATERS would be paying doctors off for excuses time after time.
Bullshit! How the can Olympic commission determine whether he only used the steroid once? He was tested and found to have PED's in his system. The toxicology test can only determine if there was steroids in his system at the time of the test, not how many times he used them in the past. So I simply do not believe the commission accepted that he only used PED's once.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:11 AM   #22
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Was your mother still dropping acid when she conceived you?
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:16 AM   #23
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Haters gonna hate. But doctors records are legally available prior to competition by all ABCS, and the Olympic Commissions.

Vitali has a torn calve muscle and went to HIS DOCTOR for treatment. When he discovered the drug the doctor prescribed was on the banned list, he came clean and admitted to having used it during training. He still took the chance of being clean soas he could compete, but the drug he used stayed in his system for up to 6 weeks, and he had only quit using it 3 weeks prior to testing.

IMO, he should have simply withdrawn from the Olympic team, but his coaches urged him to at least try to pass the test citing the use was one time, and he could prove he had not used it to cheat, but to heal.

Same goes for Toney. He didn't go to some lab making roids that were undetectable, he wnet to his doctor wondering why his strength was diminishing even though he was carbing up and lifting like a SOB......he had lab test done to show he had the testosterone levels of a 65 y/o man. His doctor promptly treated him for LOW-T and he didn't quit in time to pass his tests.

It's not like EPO where the usage enhances performance weeks, even months later....the effects of one time steroid use goes away w/i about 3 weeks, and long term usage results in diminished strength and weight gain, and weakens joints, tendons catilage and about everything else.

Had Vitali been using roids all along, he's be a cripple about now, or a 300lb blimp.

But like I said......HATERS gonna HATE.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:18 AM   #24
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You can probably find it if you do the research. I don't think it really matters what brand of steroid he cheated with.
ofcourse it matters what steroid he was on..do you know anything about them??there not some sort of serum that makes u superman..as someone posted if he was using them since his teens he wouldnt be fighting today...theres a reason yank heavyweights have a very short shelf life you know
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:19 AM   #25
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any boxer caught using PEDs should be banned for life and stuck from the records. Looking at RJJ, Toney, Mosley etc as far as I am concerned they can throw their titles away cause they won them by cheating.
Class post. I totally agree
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:22 AM   #26
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I like Vitali and have no idea if he used PED's as a pro.

What I will say is, it's a pretty big coincidence that everyone who's ever been caught taking PED's has a legitimate excuse. I've never heard anyone say "fair enough, I was cheating" - it was always because of an injury or something they mistakenly took as part of a supplement etc.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:23 AM   #27
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ofcourse it matters what steroid he was on..do you know anything about them??there not some sort of serum that makes u superman..as someone posted if he was using them since his teens he wouldnt be fighting today...theres a reason yank heavyweights have a very short shelf life you know
No, I don't know a lot about steroids because I'm not a disgraceful drugs cheat. It is enough for me to know Vitali was caught using a steroid that was banned by the Olympic Commission. Case-****ing-closed as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:23 AM   #28
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A self confessed drug cheat
what more proof is required?
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:35 AM   #29
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Most likely yes.

Vitali had to do proper testing just ONCE. And failed.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:35 AM   #30
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Rahman KO 5 Lewis
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