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Old 10-09-2011, 09:58 PM   #16
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I dont know how Vargas could be green when he fought Trinidad when he just beat Quartey, Wright, Marquez, Campus.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:58 PM   #17
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Was Trinidad too green to fight an unbeaten Campas?? remember the result? i mean if Vargas was the better man he would have won.. Trinidad had more power at the end he was going to win anyways..
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:02 PM   #18
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Was Trinidad too green to fight an unbeaten Campas?? remember the result? i mean if Vargas was the better man he would have won.. Trinidad had more power at the end he was going to win anyways..
Yea this "being too green" i guess its making excuses as the reason why Trinidad beat up Vargas. Vargas just beat wright, campus, marquez, quartey. <<How can he be green with that resume going in that fight vs tito?
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:04 PM   #19
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Yea this "being too green" i guess its making excuses as the reason why Trinidad beat up Vargas. Vargas just beat wright, campus, marquez, quartey. <<How can he be green with that resume going in that fight vs tito?

22 years old
20 pro fights
Been the distance a total of 2 times


That is not at all green is it

Its not like he was a newbie onto the world scene, as his previous victories indicate, so no, I dont think he was completely green.... but he sure as hell didnt have the seasoning, nor was the age, that one would like a fighter to have and to be, before fighting someone like trinidad. Hence its a yes and no.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:17 PM   #20
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this was the best Vargas we saw, but that doesn't mean that that could have been the best Vargas possible, as we know he declined after the Tito fight.
The potential to be better was always there for Vargas. Whether he improved or not was still a toss up. Like I said, at the time of the fight (especially right after it) it seemed obvious that Vargas was probably too green. But looking back now I'm not sure how much better he would have been. I think what suffered the most was his legacy, not so much his prime talent although it would have probably been better if he never faced Trinidad. I just don't think he would've been significantly a better fighter, but he could have had a significantly better career.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:41 PM   #21
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He would have ended up in DLH's hands either way.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:42 PM   #22
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Not really. He just ran into a very good Trinidad who bounced him around. Credit to Vargas for putting up such a heroic display, but ultimatley, he was just outgunned.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:50 PM   #23
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Nope, not too green in the boxing sense, more like too macho for his own good. If he would have been cautious, he would have at least made the last bell. Instead he thought he could bang with the best at the time. Big mistake.

Basically, the first two knockdowns took a lot from him. If he could have avoided that, I think he at least makes it to a decision and possibly a win. Obviously, he adjusted and made a good showing for himself in the middle rounds. Too late, cause he chose to go in there carelessly and paid the price.
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:06 AM   #24
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He was green, and it didn't help that Cheato Trinidad had to resort to low blows and illegal wraps to win. Cheato Trinidad ruined the careers of David Reid, Fernando Vargas, and William Joppy with those wraps.





I agree. I completely remember Joppys look of disbelief after the fight. If i remember correctly he even said that it was like if he was getting hit by
cement or bricks.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:51 AM   #25
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:01 AM   #26
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Was watching the fight again today, and Vargas was never the same after that fight. Do you think Vargas was still green against Tito?
Green? No.

But he wasn't as seasoned as he could've been. Still, the fights that leave you a lesser fighter can occur at any time, these things can happen. Meldrick Taylor was at the peak of his powers when he met Chavez first time out.

Vargas was a very good fighter, brave and skilled. He wasn't elite, but he had a good career and I really enjoyed watching him fight. I don't think there's any need to rue how things turned out or anything like that.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:02 AM   #27
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He was well blooded...would extra experience have helped him, as he would have been more savvy and possibly smarter defensively? Maybe.

But if anything his defense got worse as he got older.

Reasonably big fan of pre-Tito Vargas...gets a little undersold for mine.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:28 AM   #28
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I wonder would Vargas ever be ready for a Felix Trinidad,had he not fought him when he did.

Dont think Fernando had the boxing IQ to beat Felix.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:56 AM   #29
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Default Re: Was Vargas green when he fought Trinidad?

I think it was probably the best time for him to fight Tito actually.

His performances against Quartey and Winky proved that, despite his age and relative inexperience, he was ready to take on the divisions best.

As has been pointed out, his lifestyle and the injuries he suffered, weren't conducive to a long career. He was a terrific fighter when he fought Tito - he just ran into someone better.
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Old 10-10-2011, 01:04 PM   #30
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I wonder would Vargas ever be ready for a Felix Trinidad,had he not fought him when he did.

Dont think Fernando had the boxing IQ to beat Felix.
Actually, Vargas was a way ****ing smarter fighter than Tito...

Going into the 10th or 11th rounds, Vargas had managed to come back from teo 1st rd KDs, 4 low blows, and have an even fight with Tito....

Unfortunately the Boxer Puncher slowed considerably in the 11th and 12th rounds, one might say it was because of the 4 uppercuts to his groin, but he slowed down and paid dearly.

IMO, he could have beat Trinidad had he fought Tito like he did from rounds 2-10, and minus the low blows.

Vargas fell apart later in his career because of the two beatings from Tito and DLH, and his back problems.
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