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Old 10-11-2011, 03:15 PM   #31
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Even tho he doesn't have those many names in his resumé, I would say the best along with Sweet Pea and ever since Roberto Duran.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:17 PM   #32
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Even tho he doesn't have those many names in his resumé, I would say the best along with Sweet Pea and ever since Roberto Duran.
Chavez was a better lightweight than him too.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:21 PM   #33
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Tszyu tags that kid we know what's going to happen he is going to get KTFO or all jittery and have his roller skates on slickfully avoiding Tszyu all night.Tszyu hits harder than fishnets.No wonder why he be saying "i never been hit like that" against Pac.Because Oscar don't hit that hard.Tszyu we know does.
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Forrest was having problems with the shoulder at the time which more or less took the stiffness off of his jab, probably Vernon's most important punch along with the straight right.

Add to that Vernon's poor lateral movement and his tendency to back up in a straight line, once Mayorga charged him with his wind-milling power punches it was game over. It doesn't help either when you pelt a fighter with free punches and he just shrugs them off and calls you a bitch. Must sap some confidence.

In the second fight he made it much closer and probably should have walked away with the win. Compare it with how Spinks fought Mayorga and you see that Vernon wasn't this second coming off Thomas Hearns that some try to make him out to be.
The second was closer but Mayorga was still the ring general, it was almost embarrassing seeing the great Forrest run for his life and try to pot shot, and I don't fully believe the shoulder injury neither he was throwing bombs in both fights, Mayorga at 147 just had a GOAT chin, Mayorga simply took his soul, Forrest was never the same after the first fight
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Tszyu tags that kid we know what's going to happen he is going to gets KTFO or all jittery and have his roller skates on slickfully avoiding Tszyu all night.
This....................Mosley is simply the most over rated fighter of the last 20 years and we have Oscar and his stupid strategy in the first fight to blame for that, for him trying to slug it out instead of using his beautiful jab on Mosley.
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Tszyu tags that kid we know what's going to happen he is going to gets KTFO or all jittery and have his roller skates on slickfully avoiding Tszyu all night.
Its been over 5 months and you're still pissed that Mosley proved something everyone had thought since the Cotto fight, that Manny can't cut off the ring. Poor show chap.
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Behold.

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Such a devastating body puncher.
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Such a devastating body puncher.

He really was. My favorite thing about that performance was that he looked like he could do it all. He had a tight, smartly-shifting guard on the inside, a creative arsenal of punches, great head movement and counter-punches, effective boxing at range, and of course incredible explosive power. Golden Johnson showed a lot of toughness in that fight.
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Old 10-11-2011, 05:08 PM   #41
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I was young back then and didn't watch boxing hardcore, I watched DLH vs. Mosley on PPV though.

He's an athletic freak, I've seen his vids on youtube at 135.

Looks like a completely different fighter than the one we see today.
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He really was. My favorite thing about that performance was that he looked like he could do it all. He had a tight, smartly-shifting guard on the inside, a creative arsenal of punches, great head movement and counter-punches, effective boxing at range, and of course incredible explosive power. Golden Johnson showed a lot of toughness in that fight.
All true. His combination punching was blazing, he was perhaps the most deadly combination puncher in the game along with Oscar, Jones and Barrera during that 1997-2002 window.

He really regressed as a fighter though once he was past the second Oscar fight (which was telling of what was to come to be honest). He abandoned a lot of that, once on the inside he prefer to bully and use his strength rather than fight it out behind that head movement and body punching, on the outside he stopped moving his head and let his left hand drop too much which was a disaster for such a square on upright fighter. He also gave up on those combinations outside of the second Vargas fight, content to bomb away with that overhand right. Shame really, he has as much himself to blame for falling out of his prime rather than his physical prowess degrading.
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While in control from pretty much the opening bell and being kind of content, anyone knew it was over once he threw that first combination. Diaz could do absolutely nothing, too quick, too hard and too varied.
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Yup Yup, you are also forgetting about the headbutt, and how it probably stunned Mosley, and lead to the knock down

I'm still scratching my head on how Forrest dominates prime Mosley twice, then loses to Mayorga twice, just goes to show how over rated both Mosley and Forrest were
Not necessarily. Styles make fights. Mayorga at 147, despite all his flaws, was incredibly strong. If you didn't have exceptional movement or something to keep him off he'd be on you all night.
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All true. His combination punching was blazing, he was perhaps the most deadly combination puncher in the game along with Oscar, Jones and Barrera during that 1997-2002 window.

He really regressed as a fighter though once he was past the second Oscar fight (which was telling of what was to come to be honest). He abandoned a lot of that, once on the inside he prefer to bully and use his strength rather than fight it out behind that head movement and body punching, on the outside he stopped moving his head and let his left hand drop too much which was a disaster for such a square on upright fighter. He also gave up on those combinations outside of the second Vargas fight, content to bomb away with that overhand right. Shame really, he has as much himself to blame for falling out of his prime rather than his physical prowess degrading.
It's true. He became dependent on certain aspects of his game and ignored the fundamentals which made him a very dimensional fighter. He may have been slowing down, but relying on physical strength and a bomb overhand right caused him more problems than he would have otherwise had. I think a lot of his welterweight performances (as you said, the first half of his career and then some later gems like the Vargas and Margarito fights) were less flashy than lightweight Mosley, but he was sneakier in a lot of ways. He was great at using one punch to set up another.


Man, I hate when people call him a "black Mexican." As if he fought short and always came forward, and as if all Mexicans lacked a proper offensive defense.
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