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Old 12-13-2007, 02:12 PM   #1
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Default How good of a fighter was Marcel Cerdan?

I haven't seen much footage of him, but apparently he was a tough middleweight champion from France who fought 115 times in maybe 15 years. He retired with only 4 losses, and was only stopped once.

What do you guys think?
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:19 PM   #2
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hes a beast
didnt he knock out tony zale, the man of steel?
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:21 PM   #3
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hes a beast
didnt he knock out tony zale, the man of steel?
Boxrec shows that he did indeed stop Zale, but I don't know the details of the fight.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:52 PM   #4
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Cerdan was great , the stoppage of Zale was when Zale was past it , in his late 30's I think , but that shouldnt take anything away from Cerdan , Zale was the champion and Cerdan took the title from him with that brutal knockout. Cerdan never really met his master in the ring , 2 dq losses , a decision when he lost the euro title which was supposedly a dsgrace , and then lost on that injury fighting LaMotta (LaMotta was winning but still the outcome was not of the most convincing fashiion) .

Cerdan was really a great fighter , so strong and when he had his opponent on the ropes the infighting was one-sided everytime . He should be rated high and would be but for the trajedy after the Lamotta fight
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:57 PM   #5
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Cerdan was great , the stoppage of Zale was when Zale was past it , in his late 30's I think , but that shouldnt take anything away from Cerdan , Zale was the champion and Cerdan took the title from him with that brutal knockout. Cerdan never really met his master in the ring , 2 dq losses , a decision when he lost the euro title which was supposedly a dsgrace , and then lost on that injury fighting LaMotta (LaMotta was winning but still the outcome was not of the most convincing fashiion) .

Cerdan was really a great fighter , so strong and when he had his opponent on the ropes the infighting was one-sided everytime . He should be rated high and would be but for the trajedy after the Lamotta fight
Thanks for the info.

Yeah I read on wikapedia that Cerdan was killed in a plane crash around 1949 or thereabouts. Sadly, I think he was only about 33 years old.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:00 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info.

Yeah I read on wikapedia that Cerdan was killed in a plane crash around 1949 or thereabouts. Sadly, I think he was only about 33 years old.
In his prime aswell , Ive got some footage of him France on a video , a devastating ko really good
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:04 PM   #7
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hes not top 10 at middleweight, too much of a padded record.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:09 PM   #8
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hes not top 10 at middleweight, too much of a padded record.
He may have been if he would have not had that crash and had the oportunities to fight more top level oposition , his ability was great , maybe not top 10 , but the division has a deep history , maybe number 10 with the oportuniities
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:12 PM   #9
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hes not top 10 at middleweight, too much of a padded record.
I think his level of activity was impressive. He compiled some 115 fights in a somewhat short period.
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I think his level of activity was impressive. He compiled some 115 fights in a somewhat short period.
Still, overall i rank guys like michael nunn and james toney over him.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:16 PM   #11
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Still, overall i rank guys like michael nunn and james toney over him.
Sorry , not Nunn , he was good at the weight , but Cerdan is borderline great , the Toney argument can be made though
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Sorry , not Nunn , he was good at the weight , but Cerdan is borderline great , the Toney argument can be made though
Why not? Wins over kalambay, barkely, tate, roldan, curry and starling along with several ranked fighters is more impressive than just beating past thier primes zale and williams along with 100 bums. Nunn was top 3 p4p for 2 years, cerdan was never held in this type of regard.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:19 PM   #13
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I don't know enough about Cerdan to properly or fairly rate him, but his credentials certainly show that he was probably a very good fighter. One of these days I'm going to try and view some footage on him if I can find some.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:22 PM   #14
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Why not? Wins over kalambay, barkely, tate, roldan, curry and starling along with several ranked fighters is more impressive than just beating past thier primes zale and williams along with 100 bums. Nunn was top 3 p4p for 2 years, cerdan was never held in this type of regard.
I agree that Nunn was a great fighter, but some of those wins can't be used to give him too many points. The Kalambay win was awesome. No one else ever did that to Sumbu, in fact I saw that fight live many years ago. The stariling fight was a real sleeper. One of the most boring I've ever seen, plus Marlon was stepping up in weight and past his prime, as was the case with Donald Curry. The Barkley win was okay. Iran had just lost to Duran though. Nunn did not really look impressive in most of these fights, except again for the Kalambay fight.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:29 PM   #15
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Why not? Wins over kalambay, barkely, tate, roldan, curry and starling along with several ranked fighters is more impressive than just beating past thier primes zale and williams along with 100 bums. Nunn was top 3 p4p for 2 years, cerdan was never held in this type of regard.
Cerdan was French and Nunn was American when all the boxing publicity takes place in America . When we look back now at MDW history , there is not a chance Nunn is above Cerdan , have you seen Cerdan in his prime ? Great , even if it wasnt top competition level. Nunn's best names on his record - Curry , Starling above their best weights , the others are good wins , but not great , Toney was great but beat him . If Cerdan had a bit more time this conversation wouldnt be hapening . He still took apart Zale when he was champion , and LaMotta couldnt beat him decisevely . LaMotta and that Zale wouldve beat Nunn . And in a head-tohead sense , Nunn vs. Cerdan would be a one-sided afair , Cerdan too strong
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