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View Poll Results: better opponent for Floyd Mayweather
Oscar de La Hoya 25 39.68%
Antonio Margarito 13 20.63%
Miguel Cotto 25 39.68%
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:41 PM   #16
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Paul Williams was good in 2007! Paul would of beat floyd but Mr. Feathers ducked him as well!
After Paul williams tooled Margarito. He lost immediately to Carlos Quintana.
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Default Re: Better Fighter for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarito

Oscar was the best choice, but he really should have fought Cotto after he beat Mosley. It would've put a solid stamp on his reign as the welterweight champion before he retired.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:42 PM   #18
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Let see, Oscar has a better left hook than Cotto and Margarito which are their best punches.
More power overall.
Better chin than both of them.
Better jab.
Longer reach
Better ring IQ
More experience
Better right hand than Cotto
Bigger than the both of them
Faster than Margarito
Way much more money involved and more glory
Better trainer
More contractual advantages (gloves, weight, ring size)
Better defence
You forgot to mention Oscar was past his prime...you cant account victories based off of 1 performance in which he didnt even look great. Floyd's greatest achievement is to have POSITIONED himself after after all the sharks were out of the water. Oscar dela Hoya was simply still the face of boxing at that time.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:44 PM   #19
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You forgot to mention Oscar was past his prime...you cant account victories based off of 1 performance in which he didnt even look great. Floyd's greatest achievement is to have POSITIONED himself after after all the sharks were out of the water. Oscar dela Hoya was simply still the face of boxing at that time.
Oscar de la hoya was coming off a domination of Mayorga, who Cotto struggled with years later.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:44 PM   #20
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After Paul williams tooled Margarito. He lost immediately to Carlos Quintana.
exactly people forget this

Check the time line

Floyd beats Oscar May 5, 2007
Paul Williams beats Margarito July 14, 2007
Cotto beats Mosley November 10, 2007
Floyd beats Hatton December 8, 2007
Quitana beats Williams February 9, 2008
Margarito beats Cotto July 26, 2008
Mosley beats Margarito January 24, 2009

They only fights that could have been made were Cotto after the Mosley fight (if Floyd wasn't retired) and Mosley after Margarito (which was made)
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:45 PM   #21
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Default Re: Better opponent for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarit

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You forgot to mention Oscar was past his prime...you cant account victories based off of 1 performance in which he didnt even look great. Floyd's greatest achievement is to have POSITIONED himself after after all the sharks were out of the water. Oscar dela Hoya was simply still the face of boxing at that time.
yeah Oscar was past his prime, but all those things I mentioned are still true even with the past prime Oscar.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:51 PM   #22
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Default Re: Better Fighter for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarito

Why do you guys bother to do this? As if you're going to change someone's mind? Change history?

PBF should have fought Margo, Cotto, Clottey or Williams. Preferably all four, with a couple tuneups in between. ODLH was far past his best, everyone knew it then, everyone knows it now. There's nothing you could possibly say, no rationalization you could possibly present that's going to change that.

Michigan Warrior, you have the worst case of manlove I've seen, on or off the internet. You make the worst pactard look like a reasonable, measured boxing historian in comparison. Why do you do it? What payoff are you getting that can possibly make all this waste of time and effort worthwhile for you?
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Default Re: Better Fighter for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarito

Oscar but he could have fought Marg at the end of 07 then fight Cotto in 08.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:52 PM   #24
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Why do you guys bother to do this? As if you're going to change someone's mind? Change history?

PBF should have fought Margo, Cotto, Clottey or Williams. Preferably all four, with a couple tuneups in between. ODLH was far past his best, everyone knew it then, everyone knows it now. There's nothing you could possibly say, no rationalization you could possibly present that's going to change that.

Michigan Warrior, you have the worst case of manlove I've seen, on or off the internet. You make the worst pactard look like a reasonable, measured boxing historian in comparison. Why do you do it? What payoff are you getting that can possibly make all this waste of time and effort worthwhile for you?


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Oscar but he could have fought Marg at the end of 07 then fight Cotto in 08.
no Margarito had just lost to Williams in 2007. The Cotto fight could have happened though if he could negotiate it
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Default Re: Better Fighter for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarito

Bob Arum ran one of the best hype job campaigns for Margarito I've ever seen.

How do you lose to Daniel Santos, Paul Williams, barely scrap by an injured Clottey, and still be considered an elite fighter?

Especially in today's boxing where 1 L ruins most fighters. This dude had 5 losses lol.


When Margarito came up to Floyd and asked for a fight. floyd should have said "ill fight you when you stop losing"
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:55 PM   #26
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Default Re: Better Fighter for Floyd Mayweather in 2007: Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto or Margarito

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ODLH was far past his best,

How was Oscar far past his best when he dominated Mayorga just before he fought Floyd.


The same Mayorga who made Mosley struggle before he KO'd margarito and who cotto just recently struggled with.

This was 3 and 4 years later mind you.


How do you rationalize that in your fat head that Oscar was way past his best?

The last loss Oscar had against Hopkins was at 160, where he was competitive, more competitive then Pavlik or Tarver.


Hmm.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:55 PM   #27
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yeah Oscar was past his prime, but all those things I mentioned are still true even with the past prime Oscar.
Not unless you been playing fight night...Cotto was gunning for the DLH fight as well and DLH wanted nothing to do with margarito. Yes Oscar was comming off a Mayorga KO (who had already been KOed by Trinidad) He also looked worst than mediocre against steve forbes,and NO Cotto did not struggle against Mayorga. Oscar was the best financial decision...Cotto and Margarito were Legacy material then.
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NO Cotto did not struggle against Mayorga.
Cotto lost 3-4 rounds against Mayorga and only stopped him in the 12th mostly because an injury.


Oscar blew Mayorga out in 6 rounds winning every round handidly.


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Oscar was the best financial decision...Cotto and Margarito were Legacy material then.
Margarito adds more to your legacy coming off a loss to Paul williams then ATG oscar de la hoya?
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:58 PM   #29
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Dela Hoya for the money and name and no one is blaming Floyd here...Floyd made a good choice here. But the best exciting fight to boost Floyd legacy would have been Cotto. Cotto was red hot and undefeated so as Mayweather and they were on a collision course. There's no reason Mayweather should have ducked a Cotto or Margarito fight after the Hoya fight. The only reason why these fights didn't happen is because Floyd wanted none of them. His interview comments say it all.
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Oscar De La Hoya last 5 fights at 154lbs

Ricardo Mayorga
Shane Mosley
Luis Ramon Campas
Fernando Vargas
Javier Castillejo

Champions beaten: 4

Record: 4-1 3KO's

Extra notes: questionable decision loss Mosley fight


Antonio Margarito last 5 fights at 147lbs

Golden Johnson
Manuel Gomez
Paul Williams
Kermit Cintron
Joshua Clottey

Champions beaten: 3

Record (4-1) 3 KO's


Extra notes: Loss to a green Paul Williams and questionable decision vs Clottey



Miguel cotto last 4 fights at 147lbs

Shane Mosley
Zab Judah
Oktay Urkel
Carlos Quintana


Champions beaten: 3
Record: (4-0) 3 KO's


Extra notes: Close but clear victory over Shane Mosley



Extra notes you must've forgot.

Oscar hadn't fought in a year (Mayorga) when he fought Floyd.
Oscar hadn't fought anyone relevant since Hopkins 3 YEARS PRIOR
Oscar Hadn't won against a credible top P4P opponent since Vargas 5 YEARS PRIOR.
Cotto beat Mosley just as good as DLH did.
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