Floyd "Il Never look like Roy Jones"

[Biggame]

OK folks,...we are talking prime for prime, and we are talking at there best weight aren't we?

Now that we have that clear, both fighters at there best weight were the fastest, most talented, most atheletic fighter around, so what you guys try to take from Floyd at his weight now you have to add back in, and most of you aren't You're more looking at the excitement part, and the KO part which means once again you can't leave out Floyd's best weight!

I'll put it this way...

Who was as fast as either fighter at there best weight?

Who was as talented at there best weight?

Who was as gifted, You're ans will be no-one correct?

Now take them out of there weightclasses, and on a P4P skill start matching them up! What I just listed was all Roy and Floyd's Pro's, and they are pretty evenly matched! Now we also have to throw in the cons when matching them up or should I say what they lacked as fighters P4P.

Techinically- Floyd

Fundamentally- Floyd

Generalship- Close but still Floyd

Chin- Floyd

Defense- Floyd

They don't look so even anymore, and what Floyd might not have in power, and a possible slight speed advantage to RJJ, he'd be able to make up w/his defensive abilty, ring generalship, and own speed!

I know some don't agree, but it's all mythical, and a matter of opinion. To me when you break it down to there natural gifts, and what they've learned and mastered as fighters, in the end Floyd is a better Prime for Prime fighter! RJJ wouldn't be able to overcome Floyd w/his speed, like he did a raw Hopkins Toney as gifted, and great a fighter as he was he was a lazy fighter at times, and lacked discipline as he showed in preparation for the fight w/RJJ!

I'll take Floyd!!

[Ramshall1]

you forgot one,

courage to face the biggest threats - Not Floyd.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by drillmatic

Floyd has fought many good fighters. Yes he beat hopkins years and eyars ago but that was before hopkins peak. and yes he beat an out of shape toney. he didn't give either opponents a rematch when they both wanted one. AND he fought these two at the peak of his career.

floyd has fought castillo, judah, DLH, corrales, decrley.

he gave castillo a rematch and beat him better than b4. and he's TRYING to get a rematch with oscar when some thought that oscar won. i'm sorry but the level of opposition does not matter. floyd is a better fighter and could continue fighting late in his career because of that.

roy would beat him in a track meet or a speed punch contest but he is not the well-rounded fighter floyd is. floyd is much more versatile, and i'm not one to hug floyds nuts because i dont really like the guy. I'm just saying that floyd is an ALL TIME better fighter period.

Yah, those other world champions Jones fought weren't worth anything. I already proved this to be false months ago. Don't have time to do it now. You're wrong though.

And Jones was not at his peak when he beat Hopkins, though he was comming into it when he fought and beat Toney. Roy Jones, the only fighter to ever be criticized for not giving a guy he beat 8-4 with a broken hand and one he beat 10-2 a rematch. BTW, Toney never earned a rematch. He and Jones were never in the same weight class, and Toney was also losing.

[Biggame]

Originally Posted by Ramshall1

you forgot one,

courage to face the biggest threats - Not Floyd.

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point

[Toopretty]

Name the source/???

Floyd never said that, Roy gave Floyd his props. Floyd would not diss Roy openly like that. Only reason would be if he was mad cause Roy is getting a fight with Trinidad..lol

[liljp361]

well I cant defend floyd for this...no reasont to be saying that about the great Roy Jones...

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by Biggame

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point

Whoa whoa.....DLH was NOT prime. And he hasn't fought any of the other fighters you named.

And again, I challenge you guys to name all the cops and cab drivers. There are as far as I can tell, 2 public servants on Jones resume. Frazier and Gonzalez. You can't really say anything against Jones for fighting Gonzalez now can you? BTW....12 of the 15 fighters Jones fought at 175 were ranked in the top 10, and something like 5 of them were top 4. 8 of them were champions. Lets leave the myth of Jones competition alone. Not knowing who the fighters are and them not being good are different things.

[Toopretty]

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by Toopretty

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

Ummm...Taylor was faster than PBF. Actually, he was noticably faster. So was 135 Mosley. Arm punches? You ever look at Mosley's KO ratio?

[brooklyn1550]

Originally Posted by Toopretty

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

Intelligence wise, Toopretty...lol He is not that smart

[Ramshall1]

Originally Posted by Biggame

Guys like you add so much boy I'll tell ya!!

Anyway, both fighters earlier in there careers took on the best, and they both simmered down to a point. Floyd has never fought ballroom brawlers, cab drivers, and Police officers as defenses either. He went after top guys like Cotto, and Hatton, not to mention Mosely and Oscar when they were both prime! So what's you're point now? I'll ans...you have none!

Moving up in weight is always a risk and takes courage especially when you are as small as Floyd. Giving rematches takes courage something Roy never did against the two biggest threats of his career(Toney and Hopkins) So again I'll ask....what's your point

uh, RJJ gave Tarver a rematch.

all in all, RJJ fought many more actual threats in their primes.

I aint a big RJJ fan cause there was a long span where he fought a bunch of bums on HBO and HBO let him get away with it. I think FMJ saw that as his blueprint. . . ie Bruseles, Old Mitchel etc.

Point is Fraud is a worse p4p representative for boxing than RJJ, as sad as that is.

[kg0208]

Originally Posted by Ramshall1

uh, RJJ gave Tarver a rematch.

all in all, RJJ fought many more actual threats in their primes.

I aint a big RJJ fan cause there was a long span where he fought a bunch of bums on HBO and HBO let him get away with it. I think FMJ saw that as his blueprint. . . ie Bruseles, Old Mitchel etc.

Point is Fraud is a worse p4p representative for boxing than RJJ, as sad as that is.

Actually that's false. Go watch the interview with Jones in the middle of the ring. HBO admitted to not believing Jones was trying to get big fights. He asked HBO to try and make the fights and they were turned down by the biggest names at SMW. Unless HBO is lying, though I have no idea why they would do that.

[Toopretty]

You ESB forum posters are dumber than the article posters. lol Taylor faster than floyd WOW. Mosley throws a whole lot of arm punches DO YOU KNOW BOXING. ANY of you Amateur idiots. Yeah he got a good KO ratio with Lightweights. I would like to add that.

[Ramshall1]

Originally Posted by kg0208

Actually that's false. Go watch the interview with Jones in the middle of the ring. HBO admitted to not believing Jones was trying to get big fights. He asked HBO to try and make the fights and they were turned down by the biggest names at SMW. Unless HBO is lying, though I have no idea why they would do that.

so are you saying RJJ did or did not want the big fights?

[JC2006]

Originally Posted by Toopretty

haha. Nobody was faster, or quicker on there feet than Floyd. Punch wise, Sweat pea..lol He was not that fast. Taylor..haha some more. Camacho. You have to be on crack. Mosley is faster with arm punches only. Not in quickness or foot speed. Mosley is easy to hit and doesnt even move that much.

Taylor arguably had the fastest hands in history... Floyd was not faster than him ever, nor will he ever be.

Arm punches? Mosley doesn't move that much? Fuck man...