Kid Gavilan - head-to-head monster? - Page 3

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-Bat

I don't give too many WW boxers a good chance against Hearns. His speed, reach, power and boxing skills are just too big of an obstacle to overcome even if you have superior boxing skills (ask Leonard and Benitez). You have to be willing to go inside, be able to take Tommy's cannon on the chin and have enough of your own firepower to exploit his shaky chin.

Leonard had that firepower(though I STILL think Tommy would have taken him if he'd just kept boxing!). So did the WW Burley. Guys like Benitez, Gavilan, Holman Williams, etc. did not. Hearns can't take Gavilan out, but his concussive power and monstrous wingspan can keep the Kid honest and at bay. He can dance around and make Gavilan chase him. When Gavilan caught up Tommy would have a nasty surprise for him, whereas Gavilan would only have his mediocre power to rely on.

Gavilan has his moments, but Hearns takes a UD.

I would say Gavilan is vicious enough, and varied enough, to unleash a devastating flurry on punches on Hearns.

I would say Gavilan would have a very good chance of stopping him in the later rounds, or if he doesn't, punching out a decision. He's an unpredictable fighter, something Ray wasn't for most of his fight with Hearns. He waited, Gavilan wouldn't IMO.

Hearns would have a hard job keeping Gavilan at bay IMO. Firing him up is asking for trouble, and with the durability and stylistic variety, I'd pick him to do the better work.

I can see the flip side entirely. It'd be an unbelievable fight.

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

KG was such a tough bastard though, and clever. I think he would out-land Hearns, for whatever that is worth.

As always, accomplished what my waffle set out to convey in one sentence.

Wu-Gambino · 10-25-2011, 03:10 PM

Napoles, Hearns, Rodriguez, Leonard, and Griffith are all genuine 50:50, or at the most 55:45 matchups either way. That's good company to be in.

McGrain · 10-25-2011, 03:11 PM

I don't think Griffith could get that done i'm afraid. Apart from physical strength he's lagging behind in every category outside of power, which isn't going to matter here.

lora · 10-25-2011, 03:13 PM

Yeah, Griffith too methodical and jab orientated, though he would dominate any inside stuff.

Senya13 · 10-25-2011, 03:22 PM

What wins did Hearns have at welterweight to be favored against Gavilan? Now, 154 lbs is a different matter.

TheGreatA · 10-25-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

What wins did Hearns have at welterweight to be favored against Gavilan? Now, 154 lbs is a different matter.

That depends on whether you think Hearns drastically improved by adding 7 pounds to his frame or whether he was just facing more favourable opposition at 154 in comparison to Ray Leonard.

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

What wins did Hearns have at welterweight to be favored against Gavilan? Now, 154 lbs is a different matter.

Gavilan took on Middles as well. Hearns at his physical best? Yes. But Gavilans attributes would remain the same.

Hearns was stronger there though, so I'd go for the points verdict others are throwing around this thread. But Gavilan still ain't going nowhere.

Wu-Gambino · 10-25-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I don't think Griffith could get that done i'm afraid. Apart from physical strength he's lagging behind in every category outside of power, which isn't going to matter here.

Maybe some obvious stylistic advantages but the disparities are minimal. I see a series with Gavilan going similair to the Rodriguiz fights with The keed getting the better of it nonetheless.

edit: by stylistic I mean Gavilan as a stylist if that makes sense

ripcity · 10-25-2011, 04:50 PM

The list is short but he's not invincible. Great movement and akwardness. Just checked out a short video on him. I don't think I saw him throw one jab. For a 5' 10' with a 71" reach his lack of a jab is going to hamper him. I know this is going to make some of you mad but the cloest current comparsian to him is Paul Williams, who all things considered is not a bad boxer but would be better much better with a constant jab. So would Kid Gavilan.

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 04:53 PM

Quality. As always, ripcity bases his opinion off a highlight video.

I think you'll agree Gavilan would not punch in time to a piece of 'somba' music.

El Bujia · 10-25-2011, 04:58 PM

ripshitty must be the stupidest son of a bitch alive.

McGrain · 10-25-2011, 05:00 PM

Christ

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 05:08 PM

He and frankenwank were both dumped out of the same Mongs gash.

Flea Man · 10-25-2011, 05:09 PM

How badly would Gavilan batter Floyd?

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