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Old 10-27-2011, 05:30 PM   #151
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How does extra testing discredit Pac if Pac is clean? By the way, many people consider Mayweather better, and Mayweather would be the betting favorite for the fight with Pac.
Because if Pac doesn't wanna do Floyd's extra testing, Floyd can start claiming in the media that the reason is cause he's on something, even if that's not the case.

the vast majority consider Pacquiao as the best pound for pound boxer in the world, with Floyd as the second best.

Being betting favorite is a result of many factors like size, styles, etc and not only who is better than who.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:34 PM   #152
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Right. The same guys who won't do random testing.

Pactards are all the same. Idiots who can't see reality. Pac is a cheat and a fraud. If he wasn't? He would test and fight.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:37 PM   #153
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Having a long lay off then passing a 3 months test is not what you call upgraded drug testing it's a version of OSDT to benefit one fighter who imposes it who could be the real ped user.
What proof do you have that it benefits one fighter?

While it may be better to test yr round, its still better then not doing it at all. At least you can make guys hesitate to USE peds during during heavy training for a fight which is the most likely time that they would be pushing there bodies to the max.

Peds are used to recover from heavy training. Most fighters don't do heavy training in there off time. The times when PEDS would be most effective would be during heavy training in the weeks leading up to a fight as that is when you push your body the most and need that recover time.

And if Mayweather is taking PEDS then why isn't he throwing 100 punches a round and not getting tired. While not worrying about being hit back since his legs and extra strong.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:40 PM   #154
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Because if Pac doesn't wanna do Floyd's extra testing, Floyd can start claiming in the media that the reason is cause he's on something, even if that's not the case.

the vast majority consider Pacquiao as the best pound for pound boxer in the world, with Floyd as the second best.

Being betting favorite is a result of many factors like size, styles, etc and not only who is better than who.
You sound silly. Prize fighters fight for PRIZES. This is, and there is no hyperbole here, literally the GREATEST prize in prize fighting history! And you are foolishly believing that an CLEAN prize fighter would turn this down over tests he "knows" he can pass? When where you born? Last minute?

Nobody in their right mind thinks Pac is the best p4p. How? He has been fighting leftovers and suspended fighters. Pac hasn't had a legit fight since Clottey and that looked rigged as Clottey got a purse doubling bonus and disappeared from Boxing for YEARS.

Being the betting favored means that people believe you are FAVORED, i.e., BETTER!

To be a Pactard...
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:44 PM   #155
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Because if Pac doesn't wanna do Floyd's extra testing, Floyd can start claiming in the media that the reason is cause he's on something, even if that's not the case.

the vast majority consider Pacquiao as the best pound for pound boxer in the world, with Floyd as the second best.

Being betting favorite is a result of many factors like size, styles, etc and not only who is better than who.
This is pure conjecture. Plus, the P4P title is imaginary.

The betting favorite is based on the majority of people that bet on a boxer to win in an actual fight. The less people that bet on a fighter, the more of a betting underdog he is. Thus, the fact that Mayweather would be the betting favorite is one empirical indication of who is considered the favorite for the fight.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:49 PM   #156
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Got balls?

Then fight n*****!
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:09 PM   #157
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What proof do you have that it benefits one fighter?

While it may be better to test yr round, its still better then not doing it at all. At least you can make guys hesitate to USE peds during during heavy training for a fight which is the most likely time that they would be pushing there bodies to the max.

Peds are used to recover from heavy training. Most fighters don't do heavy training in there off time. The times when PEDS would be most effective would be during heavy training in the weeks leading up to a fight as that is when you push your body the most and need that recover time.

And if Mayweather is taking PEDS then why isn't he throwing 100 punches a round and not getting tired. While not worrying about being hit back since his legs and extra strong.
Because he's a *****?

Pacquiao been throwing a lot of punches and not getting tired since he was a flyweight. That does mean he was on Peds?
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:51 PM   #158
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It's amazing that boxing is the only sport where the fans argue against stricter drug testing protocols because either:

1. the biggest proponent isn't liked by the masses and so it's the "in" thing to just disagree on principle
2. one of the two/three biggest stars of the sport is against the idea for whatever reason, while not actually able to give a consistent reason why, with the answer changing regularly both from a personal point, and depending on what different members of his team/entourage like to offer as a reason.


The strictest drug testing should be implemented across the board in boxing, that does not negatively (so far no evidence to support that it does) impact on performance.

Boxing is far more dangerous than cycling, baseball etc. And drug testing is so much more prominent there - it's almost as if as a sport - no one wants to implement the strongest drug testing incase it unearths a truth no one wants to know about.

Crazy.
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:56 PM   #159
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It's amazing that boxing is the only sport where the fans argue against stricter drug testing protocols because either:

1. the biggest proponent isn't liked by the masses and so it's the "in" thing to just disagree on principle
2. one of the two/three biggest stars of the sport is against the idea for whatever reason, while not actually able to give a consistent reason why, with the answer changing regularly both from a personal point, and depending on what different members of his team/entourage like to offer as a reason.


The strictest drug testing should be implemented across the board in boxing, that does not negatively (so far no evidence to support that it does) impact on performance.

Boxing is far more dangerous than cycling, baseball etc. And drug testing is so much more prominent there - it's almost as if as a sport - no one wants to implement the strongest drug testing incase it unearths a truth no one wants to know about.

Crazy.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:44 PM   #160
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It's amazing that boxing is the only sport where the fans argue against stricter drug testing protocols because either:

1. the biggest proponent isn't liked by the masses and so it's the "in" thing to just disagree on principle
2. one of the two/three biggest stars of the sport is against the idea for whatever reason, while not actually able to give a consistent reason why, with the answer changing regularly both from a personal point, and depending on what different members of his team/entourage like to offer as a reason.


The strictest drug testing should be implemented across the board in boxing, that does not negatively (so far no evidence to support that it does) impact on performance.

Boxing is far more dangerous than cycling, baseball etc. And drug testing is so much more prominent there - it's almost as if as a sport - no one wants to implement the strongest drug testing incase it unearths a truth no one wants to know about.

Crazy.
mayweather said he wanted to clean up the sport

yet he doesn't submit himself to year round testing and has never paid the bill for his own fighter Jessie Vargas to be tested by USADA.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:48 PM   #161
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You sound silly. Prize fighters fight for PRIZES. This is, and there is no hyperbole here, literally the GREATEST prize in prize fighting history! And you are foolishly believing that an CLEAN prize fighter would turn this down over tests he "knows" he can pass? When where you born? Last minute?

Nobody in their right mind thinks Pac is the best p4p. How? He has been fighting leftovers and suspended fighters. Pac hasn't had a legit fight since Clottey and that looked rigged as Clottey got a purse doubling bonus and disappeared from Boxing for YEARS.

Being the betting favored means that people believe you are FAVORED, i.e., BETTER!

To be a Pactard...
everyone passes the tests from USADA including marion jones a multiple gold medal winner
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:58 PM   #162
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It's amazing that boxing is the only sport where the fans argue against stricter drug testing protocols because either:

1. the biggest proponent isn't liked by the masses and so it's the "in" thing to just disagree on principle
2. one of the two/three biggest stars of the sport is against the idea for whatever reason, while not actually able to give a consistent reason why, with the answer changing regularly both from a personal point, and depending on what different members of his team/entourage like to offer as a reason.


The strictest drug testing should be implemented across the board in boxing, that does not negatively (so far no evidence to support that it does) impact on performance.

Boxing is far more dangerous than cycling, baseball etc. And drug testing is so much more prominent there - it's almost as if as a sport - no one wants to implement the strongest drug testing incase it unearths a truth no one wants to know about.

Crazy.
This is EXACTLY right....
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:47 PM   #163
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Continued....

Victor Ortiz
September 18, 2011
Brain
Negative

Floyd Mayweather
September 18, 2011
Balls
Negative
LOL

Floyd Mayweather
2009 - 2011
Balls
Negative

Floyd's balls' been missing since Pac moved to WW.
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Old 10-27-2011, 09:53 PM   #164
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this is just bad for pac. real bad. hes the only one who wont do the testing to fight floyd. what is up with that? LOL
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:29 PM   #165
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Olympic style drug testing is year round random testing. What Floyd and Ortiz just went through is a watered down version. Go back and do your homework before you start slinging that weak argument at me.
I said RANDOM testing. I know what OSDT is and what is not.

However, what you got your panties in a bunch over is the fact that Floyd's "watered down version" of OSDT did not involve the fighters actually being blood tested up to the night of the fight (as you state in your quote below).


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So they tested Floyd for urine Sept 15. What happened to blood testing all the way up to the night of the fight? Isn't that what Floyd was demanding when it comes to Pac?
The understanding is that both fighters will willingly submit to urine and/or blood testing, from the start of training until they step foot in the ring, at any point during that time, when they are approached by USADA testing agents. It does not mean they WILL be approached for test samples on the night of the fight (pre-fight) or any specific day (or night) known to them. In fact, according to USADA, the testing days and sample types to procure are randomly (there's that word again) generated by a computer.

I think you need to "go back and do your homework."

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