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Old 10-30-2011, 03:40 AM   #31
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Forget about it. The fight will never happen. Manny's style, power, Speed, southpaw stance and endurance is way too much for Floyd to take a chance on. Pacquiaos style is too hard to figure out. Ask his past opponents. The guy is special, and if Mayweather had the guts to step in the ring with him, his biggest fears would come to reality, and he would get his 2nd loss (Castillo beat him the first time). Do you think Mayweather would lay against the ropes as he always does against Pacquiao? Hell no, he would feel the power and run the rest of the fight. If Mosely hurt him badly, what do you thin Pacquiao would do. He is a FAST southpaw with brutalizing power. He ain't going to run out of gas, an he can take a punch. Too bad the fight will never happen because Mayeather is a coward!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:42 AM   #32
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Forget about it. The fight will never happen. Manny's style, power, Speed, southpaw stance and endurance is way too much for Floyd to take a chance on. Pacquiaos style is too hard to figure out. Ask his past opponents. The guy is special, and if Mayweather had the guts to step in the ring with him, his biggest fears would come to reality, and he would get his 2nd loss (Castillo beat him the first time). Do you think Mayweather would lay against the ropes as he always does against Pacquiao? Hell no, he would feel the power and run the rest of the fight. If Mosely hurt him badly, what do you thin Pacquiao would do. He is a FAST southpaw with brutalizing power. He ain't going to run out of gas, an he can take a punch. Too bad the fight will never happen because Mayeather is a coward!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:47 AM   #33
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I know Floyd generally doesn't bother much with his jab against southpaws since his right hand is ATG, rights are the southpaw killer, and his right lands so easily, but I think emmanuel has some traits that can make the jab attractive. emmanuel will be the shortest southpaw Floyd has ever beat up.
Yeah. Floyd usually use his jab more as measuring stick against southpaws, but he still throw it to land it at times. But that's what make Floyd a very special Boxer because he changes things in between rounds instead of using the same strategy for 12 rounds.
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:52 AM   #34
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Forget about it. The fight will never happen. Manny's style, power, Speed, southpaw stance and endurance is way too much for Floyd to take a chance on. Pacquiaos style is too hard to figure out. Ask his past opponents. The guy is special, and if Mayweather had the guts to step in the ring with him, his biggest fears would come to reality, and he would get his 2nd loss (Castillo beat him the first time). Do you think Mayweather would lay against the ropes as he always does against Pacquiao? Hell no, he would feel the power and run the rest of the fight. If Mosely hurt him badly, what do you thin Pacquiao would do. He is a FAST southpaw with brutalizing power. He ain't going to run out of gas, an he can take a punch. Too bad the fight will never happen because Mayeather is a coward!

At least describe the fighting strategies that Manny would use, but instead your post just screams out "emotional fanboy".
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:59 AM   #35
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Pac fans will argue Pac will win and Floyd will argue Floyd will win if they fight so I dont want to get into just another Pac vs Floyd thread. However both sides would probably agree a faster tempo fight favors Pac and a slower tempo favors Floyd. So this is a question regarding tempo which I believe would be a main factor on who would win. Specifically what are your opinions on at what punch output per round would favor Pacquaio? I would say it would take at least 65-70 per round.
i agree.about 70 would be what he'd need.i don't think he'd have that output vs floyd though.
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:02 AM   #36
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floyd is a master at slowing the fight to his pace, tying up whenever the fighters get too close for his liking or near the ropes, and stalling with elbows, darting out of distance til he can as he says, hit and not get hit. i think if they fight- he takes NO CHANCES, and just jabs and ****s off, or straight rights and ties up.

of course manny is a jackrabbit and a master of dictating his tempo also, making the other guy move up to his pace, to his heartrate- and making them engage..

i dunno , been debating it here and in my head for 3 years now. ****.
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:06 AM   #37
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While Manny attacks with a fast 8 punch Combo, Floyd will throw ONE fast unpredictable jab and the shock of the punch, will catch Pac off gaurd...I think he will stand there and slow Pac down, sort of how Mccloskey did Khan in the first few rounds...OR...Floyd willdo the SAME thing while moving away...Floyd's movement will take away from Pac's ability to throw combos since you cant hit something thats not close enough to land...I see Pac stalking Floyd without a plan nor purpouse....Once Pac gets frustrated his lateral movement, angles, unpredictabilty from punches will all vanish like it did in the Mosley fight and he will throw wild looping punches and start "cramping up"(His excuse)..From that point on I see Floyd dominating easily,,The fight will be fast pace with Floyd moving constantly, or slow Pace with Floyd standing there with the right hand tucked like a serpant's tongue....BUT I dont see Floyd using the right hand as much for some reason
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Old 10-30-2011, 01:48 PM   #38
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i think you study pac a bit more.
manny doesnt attack with fast 8 combo just because he wants to.

if you stand infront of him, he will teee off on you. if he backs you in a corner, he will land his flurries.

floyd dont throw unpredictable jabs because he wants to throw them. he thows them with purpose, and it wont shock pac.

he will be throwing jabs to control the distance, and he will NOT stand there, he will moving, circling, jabbing controling the distance.

you are crazy if you think floyd stands there shoulder rolling pac's punches. if floyd decides to stop moving and engage he will be on high guard.

in the mosley fight, he cant stalk mosley with wild abandon because, like pac said, it was dangerous because of mosleys right hand. mosley has the ability to hurt pac, if he can time pac. floyd doesnt possess that kind of power in his right. stalking floyd isnt the same as stalking mosley.

yes you are right, floyd wont be using too much right hand lead, because if pac can time it, it;s over. but he will do enuff, if he does, it will be right and clinch.

i think there will be a lot of clinching from floyd in this fight. in dont think he will allow pac to the cornet like he allowd ortiz. if he does, im not sure he can survive. once pac hurt him, he will on survival mode ala mosely minus the power of right hand.

floyd best chance is control the distance with the jab, circling, moving. occasional right hand and clinch. if pac comes in, counter and clinch, instead of shoulder roll. dont allow pac to back him up.
When I said Unpredictable jabs, I meant that Floyd throws them while ur not expecting them...He will anticipate Pac coming in with his flurries, Lean in toward Pac's punches, and he will shoot it like a sniper...Pac's punches will stop in front of Floyd, and Floyd's jab will land!
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:17 PM   #39
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:36 PM   #41
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good point

Floyd landed the majority of the meaningful shots in that fight too

I don't think Floyd will let emmanuel have that kind of workrate when Floyd beats him up though. Chavez was swarming getting up on Floyd with the inside, something emmanuel dunno how to do. Floyd knows not to let emmanuel throw that much since the spectators cheers can influence the judges.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:06 PM   #42
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good point

Floyd landed the majority of the meaningful shots in that fight too

I don't think Floyd will let emmanuel have that kind of workrate when Floyd beats him up though. Chavez was swarming getting up on Floyd with the inside, something emmanuel dunno how to do. Floyd knows not to let emmanuel throw that much since the spectators cheers can influence the judges.
ya and the crowd will be rooting for Pac, so any meaningless blocked flurry could get scored for him
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:33 PM   #43
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1-2 feeling out
2-4 pac getting some good moments with Mayweather having some good counters
5-6 pac closing in with a lot of nice shots on mayweather, mayweather focusing more on defense as the shots are overwhelming senses danger
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:46 PM   #44
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The tempo is going to be dictated at Floyds pace. His defense will dictate Pacquiaos offense. Floyds incoming will also dictate how Pacquiao attacks. Pacquiaos offense will be reduced tremendously.

Pacquiao is going to have to land hard early to get Floyd aggressive, and even then, Floyd is great at offense when he wants to be. Pacquiao hurting Floyd if he can will not make Floyd gun shy and my proof is that when Floyd is hurt, he comes back even stronger that same round or the next.

This will be a greater win for Pacquiao than it will be for Floyd.
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:08 PM   #45
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its gonna be a boring feint fest guaranteed.
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