A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd - Page 4

mrjotatp4p · 10-30-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cableaddict

I agree with that second part. - but Floyd sure DOES need Manny. His legacy will be forever tainted (SEVERELY tainted) if they don't fight. He might make it to the hall of fame, but with a huge asterisk.

Pac's legacy is secure. In the Pac universe, Floyd is almost irrelevant.

Legacy don't pay the bills. "Money Mayweather"

Manfred · 10-30-2011, 02:17 PM

I did hear Mayweather say out of his mouth that Pac was next. I like Floyd in a fight with Pac, so Im not neutral but that is what he said. Ill reserve my judgement untill after the JMM fight.

Ant68 · 10-30-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mrjotatp4p

Legacy don't pay the bills. "Money Mayweather"

This. Floyd cares more about money than his legacy, and his number 1 priority is himself. So in that sense, he doesn't need Manny. Floyd's resume speaks for itself, it might be tarnished without Manny, but it's a really, really good resume with or without him.

sunnn · 10-30-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrjotatp4p

" I said sure, give him whatever he wants" Freddie Roach. Who the fuck do you think Roach was saying sure to? Arum or Koncz

lets just say the video isnt altered or anything, and lets pretend that vvideos are admissible in court:

note:the video started with white words written "TEAM PACQUIAO;S LIES EXPOSED", . obviously, the introduction was inserted so the voice of the interviewer wont be heard, so we dont know what was asked.

1. do you agree that roach is not part of negotiating panel aand was expressing an opinion here according to what the insterviewer ask him which we dont hear? ("i heard... blah...blah"

2. the words in the video are paraphrase. they are not exact translation of what roach said. do you agree?

3. i did not hear "I said sure, give him whatever he wants", are you paraphrasing here>?

note: voiceover, inserted to cover the next question of interviewer.
4."they want an olympic style of drug testing, AND I (NOT WE AS WRITTEN IN THE VIDEO) said, yeah no problem", is this waht roach said in the video, do you agree?

5. then the video cuts to roach and pac walking, "THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE, OR STAY WHERE YOU ARE" (not WHATEVER YOU WANT as written in the video)... do you agree?
note:roach is wearing read shirt here, white in first video. obviously this video is inserted to cover another question by the interviewer.

6. video cuts back to roach in white shirt. "since we accepted that, now they are running scared again". is this correct?

since the question was oviously covered (by the inserted video of pac and roach walking), we dont know what was asked for sure.

DAMN, THE VIDEO IS ALTERED AS FUCKED, I CANT BELIEVE I WASTED THIS MUCH TIME. THIS IS THE FUCKING PROOF THAT TEAM PAC AGREED TO FULL RANDOM INITIALLY?

Maximus · 10-30-2011, 03:54 PM

Regardless of who would win, both would be facing the best fighter they ever fought should they match up. I think Floyd is terrified of losing that 0 though, and of course Pac has no such worries.

Reppin501 · 10-30-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetmax

But why oh please convince me 14 days was good enough before but not now? Saying because Floyd changed his mind is not a valid reason.

Because Manny and team made a fool of Floyd. Floyd bent over backwards to make the fight, he accepted every demand, even agreed to go to the mediator, only to have Manny and team pull out and sign the Clottey fight leaving Floyd with no opponent, not giving a shit about Floyd and his situation, even though they had agreed to testing prior to negotiations. Floyd took their word at face value and they burned him. He stated his new position, went on to beat the champ, and hasn't looked back.

Manfred · 10-30-2011, 04:12 PM

What Im hearing from people is that Floyd is terrified of losing his 0 and Manny is terrified of letting his country down. WTF

normnix · 10-30-2011, 04:14 PM

There is nothing neutral about saying Floyd doesn't want the fight if they've really been following everything that's gone on. I don't care if you like or hate floyd, like or hate pac. If there was any side that was doing things that suggest that they don't want the fight, it would Pac's camp. This isn't even about whether you believe Pac is on something or not or whether you think Floyd is justified in making it an issue or not. the fact is, Floyd has been FAR more consistent on the issue than Pac has. The only he changes he made happened near the beginning of the negotiations and they were in an effort to make the fight more likely.

mrjotatp4p · 10-30-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sunnn

lets just say the video isnt altered or anything, and lets pretend that vvideos are admissible in court:

note:the video started with white words written "TEAM PACQUIAO;S LIES EXPOSED", . obviously, the introduction was inserted so the voice of the interviewer wont be heard, so we dont know what was asked.

1. do you agree that roach is not part of negotiating panel aand was expressing an opinion here according to what the insterviewer ask him which we dont hear? ("i heard... blah...blah"

2. the words in the video are paraphrase. they are not exact translation of what roach said. do you agree?

3. i did not hear "I said sure, give him whatever he wants", are you paraphrasing here>?

note: voiceover, inserted to cover the next question of interviewer.
4."they want an olympic style of drug testing, AND I (NOT WE AS WRITTEN IN THE VIDEO) said, yeah no problem", is this waht roach said in the video, do you agree?

5. then the video cuts to roach and pac walking, "THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE, OR STAY WHERE YOU ARE" (not WHATEVER YOU WANT as written in the video)... do you agree?
note:roach is wearing read shirt here, white in first video. obviously this video is inserted to cover another question by the interviewer.

6. video cuts back to roach in white shirt. "since we accepted that, now they are running scared again". is this correct?

since the question was oviously covered (by the inserted video of pac and roach walking), we dont know what was asked for sure.

DAMN, THE VIDEO IS ALTERED AS FUCKED, I CANT BELIEVE I WASTED THIS MUCH TIME. THIS IS THE FUCKING PROOF THAT TEAM PAC AGREED TO FULL RANDOM INITIALLY?

Manny Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, on Friday said Floyd Mayweather's camp "wants Olympic-style drug testing" for the March 13 matchup between the sports' two best boxers -- something Roach said he has "no problem" with in an interview with Elie Seckbach of FanHouse.

Pacquiao's adviser, Michael Koncz, said Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 knockouts) also would welcome such a procedure when reached Saturday in the Philippines, where he is with the seven-division world champion.

"Our reaction is, 'So what?' We know Manny doesn't take any illegal drugs or anything. And none of this is getting under Manny's skin or anything," said Koncz.

"I'm here with Manny, and to him, it's like a joke. It's a laughing matter," said Koncz. "It's something foolish anyway. Why would we be concerned? We know he doesn't do any of that s**t."

Zaryu · 10-30-2011, 04:35 PM

I think Floyd is the one stalling the fight. If you really think you beat the man why ask him for more tests? What you're saying is you're not sure you're able to beat the man stepping into the ring from the last few fights.

doylexxx · 10-30-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrjotatp4p

Legacy don't pay the bills. "Money Mayweather"

Aint no bigger money fight than the Pac man but he wont take that. he rather talk about tests and PPVs

quite embarrassing

puga_ni_nana · 10-30-2011, 06:06 PM

well if floyd didn't actually demanded an OSDT test in the first place just like all his previous fights....

KO KIDD · 10-30-2011, 06:38 PM

its a huge cluster fuck

2 yrs of back n forth bull its been so long ive forgot what really happened and get lost in all the BS

i truthfully dont remember the original negotiations and all the different things that got argued and killed the fight

to be honest no one man is clearly wrong here

Manny, Floyd, Arum, the trainers others are all to blame

i just want the charade to end either they fight or retire or something

they are the only fight that makes perfect sense

if not maybe Sergio

its like the Klits at heavy they are out of real foes

ptm · 10-30-2011, 07:04 PM

This subject hasn't been discussed enough. There needs to be more threads about this.

Skilletscuz · 10-30-2011, 07:30 PM

ahhhh.... a good ol' PacWeather thread!
at least this one attempts to start at a neutral stance...
but it all ends the same...

I had originally favored Pacquiao, due to his output and relentlessness. But Marquez shows that a Control/Counter-Puncher can drop his output down. The rounds where Pacquiao was able to deliver 70-80+ punches were the rounds he generally won. The rounds where he was slowed down to 40-60 punches, Marquez generally won.

When Pacquiao goes past 70 punches, his attack volume overwelm's a controller's ability to mitigate damage and counter-attack well. This is why Pac will win rounds w/ high volume attacks. This is what Mayweather is afraid of too, imo.

I consider Mayweather a Control/Counter-Boxer. After the intial couple rounds, a controller can start dictating the tempo of the rounds. If Mayweather can then limit 40-60 punches a round from Pacquiao, he's got a pretty good chance of winning.

Another consideration - Pacquiao's style is made to order vs a Counter-Puncher/Boxer because he's technically a brawler. Yet, he can still compete and beat a top elite. The differences that gives him his own classification is the way he does brawl. He's not a linear attacker, like most punchers & brawlers are - he comes in at angles. That same footwork allows him to instantly disengage & spontaneously re-engage. Most punchers & brawlers are stuck in the pocket, committed to their attack, whether good or bad.

We'll never know how will both fighters fair against each other until..... they fight. Other than that, its all conjecture from everyone...

10-30-2011, 02:17 PM	#47
Manfred Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,409 vCash: 500	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd I did hear Mayweather say out of his mouth that Pac was next. I like Floyd in a fight with Pac, so Im not neutral but that is what he said. Ill reserve my judgement untill after the JMM fight.
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10-30-2011, 03:54 PM	#50
Maximus Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,514 vCash: 505	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd Regardless of who would win, both would be facing the best fighter they ever fought should they match up. I think Floyd is terrified of losing that 0 though, and of course Pac has no such worries.
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10-30-2011, 04:12 PM	#52
Manfred Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,409 vCash: 500	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd What Im hearing from people is that Floyd is terrified of losing his 0 and Manny is terrified of letting his country down. WTF
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10-30-2011, 04:14 PM	#53
normnix Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 191 vCash: 500	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd There is nothing neutral about saying Floyd doesn't want the fight if they've really been following everything that's gone on. I don't care if you like or hate floyd, like or hate pac. If there was any side that was doing things that suggest that they don't want the fight, it would Pac's camp. This isn't even about whether you believe Pac is on something or not or whether you think Floyd is justified in making it an issue or not. the fact is, Floyd has been FAR more consistent on the issue than Pac has. The only he changes he made happened near the beginning of the negotiations and they were in an effort to make the fight more likely.
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10-30-2011, 04:35 PM	#55
Zaryu Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Posts: 3,105 vCash: 1000	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd I think Floyd is the one stalling the fight. If you really think you beat the man why ask him for more tests? What you're saying is you're not sure you're able to beat the man stepping into the ring from the last few fights.
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10-30-2011, 06:06 PM	#57
puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 21,717 vCash: 75	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd well if floyd didn't actually demanded an OSDT test in the first place just like all his previous fights....
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10-30-2011, 06:38 PM	#58
KO KIDD Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,116 vCash: 835	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd its a huge cluster fuck 2 yrs of back n forth bull its been so long ive forgot what really happened and get lost in all the BS i truthfully dont remember the original negotiations and all the different things that got argued and killed the fight to be honest no one man is clearly wrong here Manny, Floyd, Arum, the trainers others are all to blame i just want the charade to end either they fight or retire or something they are the only fight that makes perfect sense if not maybe Sergio its like the Klits at heavy they are out of real foes
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10-30-2011, 07:04 PM	#59
ptm Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,259 vCash: 500	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd This subject hasn't been discussed enough. There needs to be more threads about this.
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10-30-2011, 07:30 PM	#60
Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fighting emo retards with logic Posts: 2,856 vCash: 75	Re: A neutral stance looking at Pac and Floyd ahhhh.... a good ol' PacWeather thread! at least this one attempts to start at a neutral stance... but it all ends the same... I had originally favored Pacquiao, due to his output and relentlessness. But Marquez shows that a Control/Counter-Puncher can drop his output down. The rounds where Pacquiao was able to deliver 70-80+ punches were the rounds he generally won. The rounds where he was slowed down to 40-60 punches, Marquez generally won. When Pacquiao goes past 70 punches, his attack volume overwelm's a controller's ability to mitigate damage and counter-attack well. This is why Pac will win rounds w/ high volume attacks. This is what Mayweather is afraid of too, imo. I consider Mayweather a Control/Counter-Boxer. After the intial couple rounds, a controller can start dictating the tempo of the rounds. If Mayweather can then limit 40-60 punches a round from Pacquiao, he's got a pretty good chance of winning. Another consideration - Pacquiao's style is made to order vs a Counter-Puncher/Boxer because he's technically a brawler. Yet, he can still compete and beat a top elite. The differences that gives him his own classification is the way he does brawl. He's not a linear attacker, like most punchers & brawlers are - he comes in at angles. That same footwork allows him to instantly disengage & spontaneously re-engage. Most punchers & brawlers are stuck in the pocket, committed to their attack, whether good or bad. We'll never know how will both fighters fair against each other until..... they fight. Other than that, its all conjecture from everyone...
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