Most people dont know how to score a fight.

[bruthead]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

It's more he said people can't score a fight and then demonstrated he doesn't actually know how to score a fight.

Fair point but we'd have better discussions if people focused more on the meat of what someone is saying, rather than jumping on a relatively minor mistake.

[Bryn]

This Trampie fella is the most successful troll on the British Forum.


Look at all those bites! Jealous.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by bruthead

Fair point but we'd have better discussions if people focused more on the meat of what someone is saying, rather than jumping on a relatively minor mistake.

It’s not really a minor mistake when you’re arguing about rules. It’s also because there’s a clear difference between what a 10-10 and a 9-9 score tells you.

10-10 is a drawn round with no significant shifts of momentum
10-9 suggests a standard winning round
10-8 suggests a knockdown or serious beating
9-9 suggests a fighter won the round but lost a point
Etc, so on…

You use scores to better understand what happened in the round and, in theory, to teach other judges how to score.

[bruthead]

Fair point df but a bit tenuous. For example 9-9 could be a point deduction each in an even round...I get what you're saying but I'd still call it a minor mistake, all things considered.

Also, Bryn, it's not fair to call someone a troll just because they argue a case you don't agree with. A troll is someone who stirs shit up for the sake of it, even though they don't really believe what they're saying. That's not what Trampie is doing here.

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by bruthead

Fair point df but a bit tenuous. For example 9-9 could be a point deduction each in an even round...I get what you're saying but I'd still call it a minor mistake, all things considered.

Also, Bryn, it's not fair to call someone a troll just because they argue a case you don't agree with. A troll is someone who stirs shit up for the sake of it, even though they don't really believe what they're saying. That's not what Trampie is doing here.

I beg to differ, that's exactly what he's doing.

[trampie]

Originally Posted by Bryn

I beg to differ, that's exactly what he's doing.

Oh aye, like that is it what valley are you from ?
Im saying how fights should be scored not how they are officially scored but how they should be scored, everything in propotion, logical and sensible.

[Bryn]

Originally Posted by trampie

Oh aye, like that is it what valley are you from ?
Im saying how fights should be scored not how they are officially scored but how they should be scored, everything in propotion, logical and sensible.

The Sirhowy Valley.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by trampie

Oh aye, like that is it what valley are you from ?
Im saying how fights should be scored not how they are officially scored but how they should be scored, everything in propotion, logical and sensible.

That's not what you were saying at all, little politician. Your title very clearly says "Most people don't know how to score a fight". It is not an error, you made up a whole load of shit and are now trying to amend your point so you don't look so foolish. It's not working, by the way.

Originally Posted by trampie

If a boxer clearly wins a round but suffers a knockdown, it should be scored 9-9, as the boxer suffering the knockdown would have won the round 10-9 if he had not been knocked down, but because he was knocked down he should lose a point, making it a 9-9 round.

Even if you are saying how boxing should be scored, you're wrong. The boxer who scores the KD wins the round, it is only by how much that matters. It would be unfair on the guy who scored the knockdown that he only gets an even round when he did the second best thing you can do in a fight: score a knockdown. The only thing that's better? Knocking the guy out.

Perhaps you want to give some credit to fighters who get stopped? "Well, he was ahead on the cards at the time... let's call it a draw!"

I am enjoying watching you desperately claw to make a point.

[trampie]

People dont reward a boxer for winning a round, giving a boxer a 10-9 round verdict does not reward him unless you are prepared to score any even rounds even.

Example a two round fight:-
Boxer A and Boxer B fight out a close round, i would score it even, most would give it one way or the other because very few people score even rounds, since punches thrown and landed were similar, people will give it to a boxer for the silliest of reasons like who threw the last punch or who was in the centre of the ring when the round ended.

So there is almost a 50-50 chance that Boxer B lets say wins the round 10-9 on nothing more than a flight of fancy or a whim.
The next round Boxer A clearly wins the round, so lots of people will have scored the bout a 19-19 draw, i would have scored it 20-19 to Boxer A, a casual observer not scoring the rounds would think that Boxer A had won it, but lots of people would have scored it a controversial draw due to not scoring an even round even.

[trampie]

Originally Posted by dftaylor

Even if you are saying how boxing should be scored, you're wrong. The boxer who scores the KD wins the round,

Gaz thinks not.

What if the guy scoring the KD has points deducted ?

[trampie]

Originally Posted by trampie

People dont reward a boxer for winning a round, giving a boxer a 10-9 round verdict does not reward him unless you are prepared to score any even rounds even.

People will give a boxer a 10-9 for doing next to nothing, yet when the boxer does clearly win a round people will still only reward it as 10-9, no difference in the score awarded, yet one was a super close round and one was a clear win round but both are giving the same weight scoring wise by people that dont score even rounds.

If somebody scores even rounds then when they score a 10-9 round it has weight and meaning, lots of controversial results in boxing are caused because people by and large dont score even rounds when they should.

[WalletInspector]

Originally Posted by trampie

Gaz thinks not.

What if the guy scoring the KD has points deducted ?

Points deductions are done after you've scored the round. So you think fighter A won the round, it's 10-9, then you put a 1 in the points deducted column if there has been a deduction. You will never not see a 10 in one of points scored columns. Ever.

You must be trolling. Surely.

[trampie]

The very time you have a fight where lots of people are saying well i scored that round 10-9 to Boxer A and lots of people are saying well i scored that round 10-9 to Boxer B, you know there is potential for trouble, that round should probably have been scored 10-10, if you have a few of those pickem rounds going to one boxer on a whim then you can end up with a false result particularly if there was lots of clear win rounds for the losing boxer and only pickem rounds for the winning boxer.
If a round is even it should be scored even in the interest of fairness and fairplay.

[dftaylor]

Originally Posted by trampie

Gaz thinks not.

What if the guy scoring the KD has points deducted ?

This seems to be causing you some problems...

Fighter A outlands Fighter B and controls the round. He ends up in a clinch, headlocks his opponent and whacks his head into the ring post. The referee penalises him a point.

The judges score the round 9-9 all the way around. That tells you something and is therefore important - Fighter A WON the round, but lost a point for an intentional foul. So the 9-9 is instructive and means something subtly different to a 10-10.

You may not agree with it, but those are the rules.

[trampie]

Originally Posted by Bryn

The Sirhowy Valley.

That explains a lot.