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View Poll Results: Is this the most significant fight in MMA history to date?
Yes, no other fight has this historical importance 6 11.54%
Possibly yes, we'll have to see how this 7 year deal goes 12 23.08%
Not for the hardcore fans, but for the sport as a whole yes 17 32.69%
No, another matchup was bigger and more important. (State which one) 16 30.77%
Is Dana White involved? Then I must hate, **** DANA WHITE!!! 1 1.92%
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Old 11-06-2011, 02:18 PM   #46
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FUEL are doing a roundtable as part of the build to the fight that includes Mir. Yeah Mir and Miletich are awesome - particularly Miletich. Strikeforce commentary just improves by leaps and bounds when he's on - not only is he great but he makes Mauro and Shamrock better as well.
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Old 11-06-2011, 02:26 PM   #47
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He's the Alan Hansen of MMA imo a guy who can point of the little details you may have missed and throws in a funny remark or two

His ''I wish I had a brother'' line to Frank was hilarious
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:31 PM   #48
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I feel the hyperbole can get pretty ludicirous at times but I struggle to see how calling Anderson the most dangerous striker in the world is one of them. Its debatable but surely there's a perfectly valid argument that a striker who has almost uniquely proven himself able to impose his kickboxing on opponents who have the opportunity to take him down to the ground is more dangerous than one who is just a double-leg away from going night-night? Particularly when Anderson has shown the ability to **** people up even off his back.
Wow....

then by that logic the most dangerous submission artist could be a guy with good but not great submission skills but posses devastating striking. "since a great submission guy who who doesnt have skills striking cant win unless he gets the fight to the ground"

Anderson Silva could be the most dangerous striker AND the most dangerous submission artist!!!

Perhaps Silva is the most dangerous wrestler as well "since he doesnt even need to use wrestling to win his fights"

so now we are judging striking arts by how well said fighter is able to utilize them under MMA rules.

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Old 11-06-2011, 05:25 PM   #49
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:07 PM   #50
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yeah but the pride shows took a year to make... they were huge because they saved all the best fights for 1 day, you aren't getting a show like that ever again.

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Fedor v CroCop and Fedor v Nog for me as well. Those fighters were significant with top fighters from around the globe from different promotions being invited for the NYE event, packing a huge stadium with huge viewership. Those were the golden age of MMA. At that time both fighters were at their prime and were actually proven fighters as well as top fighters in MMA they were also top fighters in their chosen discipline.

Cain v JDS arent nowhere near as accomplished and the event nowhere near that of Pride.

Who knows what will happen or even if the UFC will continue to exist in 10 years time.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:44 PM   #51
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Fedor v CroCop and Fedor v Nog for me as well. Those fighters were significant with top fighters from around the globe from different promotions being invited for the NYE event, packing a huge stadium with huge viewership.
Too bad none of those fights were significant enough or big enough to allow the organization that hosted them to survive for more than five years. Guess they weren't really that important or significant in the grand scheme of things after all.

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Those were the golden age of MMA.
THIS is the golden age of MMA. At least it is in the West. Now we have it being treated as a legitimate sport. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of MMA gyms springing up all over America and the UK, gyms which didn't exist ten years ago.

Interest is growing.
Exposure is growing.
Fighter's profiles are on the rise.
Champions are appearing on late-night chat shows.
Big endorsement deals with blue-chip companies are being signed.
MMA is appearing on primetime network television, hyped by the biggest sports network on the planet.

The sport is crossing over - something it was never close to doing in the West during the PRIDE days.

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Who knows what will happen or even if the UFC will continue to exist in 10 years time.
Well, we know for sure that the UFC will still be around in 7 years time, because Fox is committed to growing it. The contracts are signed. So I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that it will exist for three years beyond that time.

In fact, in 10 years I expect it to occupy a very similar position to that which boxing once did. The HW champion will be a household name. Fights pitting hungry young up and comers against each other will be on free TV. And kids from poverty-stricken backgrounds will be in MMA gyms, using the sport as a way out of the ghetto.

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Old 11-06-2011, 10:14 PM   #52
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This is the fight that has to get people talking so that they never want to miss a UFC event. I can think of no better match up to create an exciting fight between the two best fighters in any weightclass than Cain Velzaquez and Junior Dos Santos. The fight just has to live up to it's hype to become the stuff of legends. Only time will tell if their fight has significance and truly changes the game or the medium of the sport.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:18 PM   #53
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then it was Lesnar vs Carwin.

This is the way MMA is promoted, it is to appeal to morons. Everything is "the best ever" until the next "best ever" comes along.

This type of hyperbole sells so the rest of us have to endure it.
What's wrong with every fight being better than the last? I happen to enjoy entertaining fights. The UFC this past weekend was off the chain as was the Edgar/Maynard PPV. And anyone that says they're not interested in Velazquez/Dos Santos is just not a MMA fan. I will admit that it would be nice if the UFC would talk more about the history of the sport on PPV's. Instead the drama is usually the central focus of the video promos. If it wasn't for Joe Rogan's commentary - no mention would ever be made of these fighter's histories in Pride or in other organizations.
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:43 AM   #54
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Not just the two combatants, but everything surrounding the event?

The UFC debuting on Fox Sports and starting its seven-year deal by putting a hugely-anticipated heavyweight title fight on free TV.

Two very, very solid fighters face off in the primes of their careers.

Two professionals who will turn up in shape and show respect for the sport and each other.

The debut of mixed martial arts as a mainstream sport in America.

Is this the most significant fight in MMA history?

And if not, why not?

Im not sure i see it this way , yes the deal is significant and a big step in the right direction , but its been one of many big steps in the right direction and doesnt strike me as a water shed moment in the evolution of mma or the general public recognosing the sport for what it is , im not sure how long people are gonna bang that drum tbh , the sport is now widely recognised for what it is , and the UFC are making a lot of money because of that , so still searching for that notoriety is somewhat out dated and un neccesary , there are still hurdles the sport has to get over in relation to sanctioning , and once thats done , they will progress there tv deal again and again to match the sports popularity which is always rising .

As for the fight itself , its the biggest HW fight in UFC history IMHO , pitting the 2 best HW's in the world right now

As far as fighters and skill sets go , i dont see it as the difinative most significant fight in MMA history , with everything surrounding it , i suppose it could be seen as that yes , and after the fight it may also been as that too , this fight has the potential to be a high paced action packed highly technical fight between 2 HW's that weve never been used to seeing as far as skills go in MMA .................
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:13 PM   #55
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Fedor v CroCop and Fedor v Nog for me as well. Those fighters were significant with top fighters from around the globe from different promotions being invited for the NYE event, packing a huge stadium with huge viewership. Those were the golden age of MMA. At that time both fighters were at their prime and were actually proven fighters as well as top fighters in MMA they were also top fighters in their chosen discipline.

Cain v JDS arent nowhere near as accomplished and the event nowhere near that of Pride.

Who knows what will happen or even if the UFC will continue to exist in 10 years time.
Who's Fedor?

I've heard of Nog and Cro Cop. They're those PRIDE rejects that have been getting their asses kicked in the UFC.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:11 PM   #56
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It probably will be. Even if it's a flop, that would still be hugely significant.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:14 PM   #57
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Not for the hardcore fans, but for the sport as a whole yes
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:48 PM   #58
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Griffin Vs Bonnar is the most significant fight in north American mma history. This could top that if it's an all out war that legitimizes the sport in the same way that did. Half the UFC fanbase stems from that Griffin/Bonnar fight, though, so it'd take some doing.
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:36 AM   #59
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Its the biggest fight since Kimbo vs James Thompson on CBS in the US
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:06 AM   #60
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