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Old 11-11-2011, 10:10 AM   #16
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I agree.

Pac training to keep his speed while moving up had disastrous repercussion on his winning chances.

He should be slower so Marquez can counter more easily.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:13 AM   #17
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Lets not all get caught up in the Hype again and start believing programmes like HBO 24/7. Pacman is the PFP number 1 in the world who is a fully fledged welter weight. He has taken apart a 150lb Margarito and dismantled Miguel Cotto. He is probably the fastest fighter in the world and one of the PFP hardest punchers in boxing today.

JMM is a lightweight, i don't care how big his arms are. He is older, slower, and out of his depth against Pacquiao. Yes he can counterpunch and is a solid technician but at the catchweight of 144lbs this fight is a joke.

When Floyd made him move up he made a mockery out of himself, 18 month layoff or not. Pacquiao making him move up nearly 2 divisions is also a joke.

JMM will be destroyed and his face will be a bloody mess when this fight ends. Pacquiao will claim to have settled the score by silencing critics that thought JMM won the first 2 fights, this fight should have happened 2 years ago.
The most sensible post I've ever read on here. 100% on the money!
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:15 AM   #18
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Seems to me you don't know what the **** you're talking about.
That would be my thoughts, as well.

Manny has enough power already. Speed always wins.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:17 AM   #19
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JMM may win but not for the reasons you highlighted
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:24 AM   #20
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Seems to me you don't know what the **** you're talking about.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:26 AM   #21
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last I checked he went the distance with Shane...ANYBODY CAN "HAVE THE POWER" BUT NOT ANYBODY CAN APPLY IT.

UR FAULT
But But But he had cramps on his legs.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:28 AM   #22
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That would be my thoughts, as well.

Manny has enough power already. Speed always wins.
Wrong. Timing kills speed.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:00 AM   #23
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I am almost positive that Marquez will be surprised at Manny's power at welterweight. He fought FM at this weight and his punches hurt Marquez, I have a feeling that Pacquiao will stun him with the very first hard shot. I expect Marquez with his heart however to continue despite it. This could actually be very dangerous for him, so hopefully if it gets too out of hand his corner will step in. Should be a classic until then for the fans!
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:21 AM   #24
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Here is why JMM wins, if he wins.

1. Pac was clearly hitting JMM in his previous two fights. This aside from the Knock Downs!

2. But JMM could take Pacquiao's punches, he is not getting cowed! He punches back and can win a point-system match, but cannot KD Pac.

3. Now that Pacquiao trains for this third fight, he focuses on speed----- wrong move!

4. He should have focused more on power, like the one that faced Mosley because he hits Marquez anyway! And if those power punches against Mosley connect (and they will) it will obliterate Marquez.....

5. So Pacquiao training for speed was a wrong tactic as this does not give him any advantage at all.

Your Thoughts?
An Inside source tells me Manny's plan is to punch juan in the Face
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:27 AM   #25
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An Inside source tells me Manny's plan is to punch juan in the Face
you should divulge the identity of your source or else no one believes you. only official sources baby!!!
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:30 AM   #26
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speed x mass x technique=power
more speed= more power

Also punches you don't see....
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:32 AM   #27
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If Marquez fights smart, he will upset Pac. Marquez a counter puncher with good timing and now "power"? uh oh for Pac.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:35 AM   #28
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Wrong. Timing kills speed.
Timing is in fact the best weapon against speed. However there needs to be enough of your own speed in return in order to land those timed punches in between the brief second when you anticipate them and they land on your face.

In other words... Timing requires speed. In the first 2 fights, JMM had respectable speed along with strait punches. However, I feel he has lost some of his speed since then. Well BEFORE you factor in his bulk up which almost always saps more.

Also... Guess what "kills" timing? An unorthodox, unpredictable, high output style. That's why the first two fights were great. I just don't think JMM is on the same level anymore. Certainly not at this weight. But hey this is boxing and anything can happen.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:41 AM   #29
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Timing is in fact the best weapon against speed. However there needs to be enough of your own speed in return in order to land those timed punches in between the brief second when you anticipate them and they land on your face.

In other words... Timing requires speed. In the first 2 fights, JMM had respectable speed along with strait punches. However, I feel he has lost some of his speed since then. Well BEFORE you factor in his bulk up which almost always saps more.

Also... Guess what "kills" timing? An unorthodox, unpredictable, high output style. That's why the first two fights were great. I just don't think JMM is on the same level anymore. Certainly not at this weight. But hey this is boxing and anything can happen.
I don't think this will be a problem for Juan. emmanuel also lost speed with the move up in weight and age. There's a very clear difference between his speed in the Cottoe fight compared to the Shane bout.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:48 AM   #30
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Here is why JMM wins, if he wins.

1. Pac was clearly hitting JMM in his previous two fights. This aside from the Knock Downs!

2. But JMM could take Pacquiao's punches, he is not getting cowed! He punches back and can win a point-system match, but cannot KD Pac.

3. Now that Pacquiao trains for this third fight, he focuses on speed----- wrong move!

4. He should have focused more on power, like the one that faced Mosley because he hits Marquez anyway! And if those power punches against Mosley connect (and they will) it will obliterate Marquez.....

5. So Pacquiao training for speed was a wrong tactic as this does not give him any advantage at all.

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how do youu train for power?????
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