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Old 11-13-2011, 07:02 PM   #1
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Watching the Pac-Marquez fight last night, I was thinking about great fighters who were always troubled by a lesser opponent (not saying Marquez isn't excellent in his own right). Robinson had Randy Turpin, Ali had Ken Norton. Can you guys list more examples off the top of your head?
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Robbo lost to Turpin once in the midst of a tour and battered him in the return. Not comparable IMO.
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Shane Mosely with Vernon Forrest
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:11 PM   #4
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Robbo lost to Turpin once in the midst of a tour and battered him in the return. Not comparable IMO.
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randy was doing great in the rematch, had robinsons eye split before robinson stopped him...you give the impression he was beat by robinson all the way through the rematch
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Not a great; but still a fine fighter: Norris/Santana...
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Johnny Tapia with Paulie Ayala.
Marco Antonio Barrera with Junior Jones
Bernard Hopkins with Jermain Taylor
Humberto Gonzalez with Kwang Sun Kim and Yul-Woo Lee
Myung Woo Yuh with Leo Gamez and Alberto Mario De Marco
Ricardo Lopez with Rosendo Alvarez
Jung Koo Chang with Jorge Cano
Bert Cooper gave both Michael Moorer and Evander Holyfield hell.
Julio Cesar Chavez with Juan La Porte
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^ Great post Addie, thanks so much.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:21 PM   #8
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patterson v igemar johhansonn ??
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:26 PM   #9
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Johnny Tapia with Paulie Ayala.
Marco Antonio Barrera with Junior Jones
Bernard Hopkins with Jermain Taylor
Humberto Gonzalez with Kwang Sun Kim and Yul-Woo Lee
Myung Woo Yuh with Leo Gamez and Alberto Mario De Marco
Ricardo Lopez with Rosendo Alvarez
Jung Koo Chang with Jorge Cano
Bert Cooper gave both Michael Moorer and Evander Holyfield hell.
Julio Cesar Chavez with Juan La Porte
I know I have a strong sense of what Great should be; but are really calling Barrera, Gonzales, Yuh and Moorer Great?
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I know I have a strong sense of what Great should be; but are really calling Barrera, Gonzales, Yuh and Moorer Great?
In the context of their respective weight divisions, absolutely. Yuh and Gonzalez are among the top 5-6 Light Flyweights in the history of the division. Likewise, MAB has established himself as being a modern great and perhaps one of the finest fighters Mexico has ever produced. Moorer was never a great fighter, but he was still a level above Bert Cooper. It was worth mentioning.
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In the context of their respective weight divisions, absolutely. Yuh and Gonzalez are among the top 5-6 Light Flyweights in the history of the division. Likewise, MAB has established himself as being a modern great and perhaps one of the finest fighters Mexico has ever produced. Moorer was never a great fighter, but he was still a level above Bert Cooper. It was worth mentioning.
I think you're talking to the same guy that didn't consider Benitez a great.
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I think you're talking to the same guy that didn't consider Benitez a great.
Yes you are; Benitez was enigma, as close to a child prodigy as boxing got. For a period he was excellent, but he lacked the length of brilliance required to be a great; if you want the word to mean something special.

OK, if your personal standards, means any flash of brilliance gets credited with the tag, then Benitez is great...
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Yes you are; Benitez was enigma, as close to a child prodigy as boxing got. For a period he was excellent, but he lacked the length of brilliance required to be a great; if you want the word to mean something special.

OK, if your personal standards, means any flash of brilliance gets credited with the tag, then Benitez is great...
A flash of brilliance = Buster Douglas not Wilfred Benitez, dude.
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In the context of their respective weight divisions, absolutely. Yuh and Gonzalez are among the top 5-6 Light Flyweights in the history of the division. Likewise, MAB has established himself as being a modern great and perhaps one of the finest fighters Mexico has ever produced. Moorer was never a great fighter, but he was still a level above Bert Cooper. It was worth mentioning.
Context? Come on, Greatness should be above such silly, naive dribble... Greatness is special, royalty, in the context of a weight division; once in a generation.

You confuse excellence with greatness. You can be a superb fighter, without being a great, IMO.

I consider Greatness should be reserved to the 40 or so greatest fighters to lace up the gloves. Otherwise you devalue the word.
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A flash of brilliance = Buster Douglas, dude.
I agree: Benetiz against Cervantes...
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