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Old 11-13-2011, 08:51 PM   #31
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Perhaps not, Lora.

That is one weird looking dude in your avatar. Explain.
It's the eternally youthful legendary Russian sweeper Viktor Onopko
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Old 11-13-2011, 08:55 PM   #32
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hearns with barkley
jones with tarver
gatti with ivan robinson
mayweather with castillo
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:03 PM   #33
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Ho Joo had severe issues with Kalule
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:04 PM   #34
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hearns with barkley
I totally agree there; WHAT THE HELL was that about? Barkley was a crude face first brawler, whilst from Leonard to Hill to Benitez, The Motor City Cobra could outbox even the most consummate boxer, but Barkley could somehow (legitimately) outpoint him.

Landing a bomb (fight one), was to a point, shocking enough, but Hearns/BarkleyII is not a million miles behind Tyson/Douglas as an upset (at least from the point of view Iran outpointed Tommy).
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:15 PM   #35
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It might be near Tyson Douglas if you're a complete simpleton, but an aging tired legs light heavy Hearns getting ouworked by a determined huge middle that had already knocked him out....well it's not on the same level as the supposedly young prime invincible talent getting dominated by a known quitter with no real quality wins.

Most people knew by then Hearns legs and ability to avoid punishment were on the decline and it's not like Barkley needed to outbox to outpoint.
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It might be near Tyson Douglas if you're a complete simpleton, but an aging tired legs light heavy Hearns getting ouworked by a determined huge middle that had already knocked him out....well it's not on the same level as the supposedly young prime invincible talent getting dominated by a known quitter with no real quality wins.

Most people knew by then Hearns legs and ability to avoid punishment were on the decline and it's not like Barkley needed to outbox to outpoint.

Truth be told, Hearns' legs topped out at 154, regardless of age.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:27 PM   #37
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No doubt.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:22 PM   #38
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Ike Williams {uncuffed] was the best lightweight I ever saw ringside, lost all three bouts to Willie Joyce...
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:38 AM   #39
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Ho Joo had severe issues with Kalule
I f'n love you mayne.
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It might be near Tyson Douglas if you're a complete simpleton, but an aging tired legs light heavy Hearns getting ouworked by a determined huge middle that had already knocked him out....well it's not on the same level as the supposedly young prime invincible talent getting dominated by a known quitter with no real quality wins.

Most people knew by then Hearns legs and ability to avoid punishment were on the decline and it's not like Barkley needed to outbox to outpoint.
Hearns was coming off beating Hill. I am not saying it was a surprise Barkley won, as he had already beaten a better version of the Motor City Cobra. But the surprise came in the way Tommy was outpointed, it left me a little stunned. Beforehand I would of put the mortgage on Tommy winning a decision if he stayed on his feet for 12 rounds.
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Ike Williams {uncuffed] was the best lightweight I ever saw ringside, lost all three bouts to Willie Joyce...
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Shane Mosely with Vernon Forrest
You being serious?

Im a big Mosley fan but Vernon Forrest was just better than him

Vernon even beat him in the amatures
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hearns with barkley
jones with tarver
gatti with ivan robinson
mayweather with castillo
More great picks Kmac.

Bowe with Golota
Chavez with Randall
Camacho with Haugen
Forrest with Mayorga
Toney with Griffin

I almost put Paez with Troy Dorsey, but with the Benitez debate on greatness I think I'll save it for a later date.
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Context? Come on, Greatness should be above such silly, naive dribble... Greatness is special, royalty, in the context of a weight division; once in a generation.

You confuse excellence with greatness. You can be a superb fighter, without being a great, IMO.

I consider Greatness should be reserved to the 40 or so greatest fighters to lace up the gloves. Otherwise you devalue the word.
On the contrary, Sir GayBooze, you, devalue the greatness of the sport, by limiting its pantheon to a mere 40 or so fighters.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:31 PM   #45
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On the contrary, Sir GayBooze, you, devalue the greatness of the sport, by limiting its pantheon to a mere 40 or so fighters.
No, I keep the word special and intestify the debate as to who is great and who is not, by keeping such a high threashold, so there can be very, very few easy answers.
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