How come Marquez didn't

prelude · 11-13-2011, 08:05 PM

Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.

Stovepipe · 11-13-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude

Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.

and they asked Nacho if he knew his guy was behind would he have told his fighter to press and he ducked the question entirely.

aramini · 11-13-2011, 08:22 PM

Look at all three fights: if Pac doesn't come forward, JMM just looks at him. When pac comes forward, JMM steps back and lands sharp combinations. The more Pac presses him, the better JMM does. He can't fight manny coming forward without getting hurt; however, this fight was the best because he didn't even try to step forward. Beautiful flawless performance, but these guys will always have the same fight over and over and over and at the end I always ask the same question, why can't Juan throw jabs in the spaces when Manny is just staying back? It was the same story in the last rounds in the last two fights, in my opinion.

diavolievo · 11-13-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude

Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.

Marquez knows that he'll get knocked out if he did.

boxinger · 11-13-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude

Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.

because thats his style, hes a counter puncher

he basically just waits for the opponent to make the move first, and does not attack

bballchump11 · 11-13-2011, 08:24 PM

Because he didn't want to get countered

RingKing · 11-13-2011, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by prelude

Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.

What a tard. Did you even watch the fight last night. On more than one occasion, JMM initiated the exchanges, was able to get off first, and counter effectively whenever PacMan attempted to retaliate. JMM was the clear winner. Watch the fight before you comment on it.

Cableaddict · 11-13-2011, 08:30 PM

^ Exactly.

JMM initiated a lot more exchanges than Pac did.

Sure, he mostly did his counterpunching thing, but then that's what he's good at. I was amazed at just how much he DID come forward. - And he landed a hard blow almost every time.

prelude · 11-13-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bballchump11

Because he didn't want to get countered

Still though, if he's been asking for this fight for years he shouldn't leave it to the judge. He's a great counter puncher but he's also a great fighter himself. He should have been more aggressive to get the judges attention. He probably lost the fight because he backed up too much which looked like he didn't want the fight that bad.

jmmpbf · 11-13-2011, 09:07 PM

Its because if you watch the first 2 fights, if he didnt get KD, he woulda clearly beat Pac.

So he boxed, and shoulda been granted a win....again.

prelude · 11-13-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jmmpbf

Its because if you watch the first 2 fights, if he didnt get KD, he woulda clearly beat Pac.

So he boxed, and shoulda been granted a win....again.

When you want a fight that bad you shouldn't leave it to SHOULDA. You need to convince that you really want to win this thing...win or lose. Marquez said he was willing to die in the ring but it didn't seems like that last night.

meloy · 11-13-2011, 09:17 PM

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When you want a fight that bad you shouldn't leave it to SHOULDA. You need to convince that you really want to win this thing...win or lose. Marquez said he was willing to die in the ring but it didn't seems like that last night.

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Brauer · 11-13-2011, 09:31 PM

It was a convincing win. Only pactards don't think so.

prelude · 11-13-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Brauer

It was a convincing win. Only pactards don't think so.

Why would it matters what we think, it's what the judges think

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RoosterC · 11-13-2011, 10:22 PM

The majority of members gave every close round to JMM just because he was the underdog. That is simply not how you score a fight. Pac clearly won.

JMM dod not come forward more or throw more simply because he was scared to get knocked out.

11-13-2011, 08:05 PM	#1
prelude Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,570 vCash: 500	How come Marquez didn't Attack more and pressed more forward in this fight. I mean he's been wanting this fight for years and when given the chance all he does is back peddle and counter. He did a great job of countering PAC though, he got the better of the exchange. But the point here is when you want a fight this bad you go in there to win the fight without leaving it to the judge to decide.
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11-13-2011, 08:22 PM	#3
aramini Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,567 vCash: 1000	Re: How come Marquez didn't Look at all three fights: if Pac doesn't come forward, JMM just looks at him. When pac comes forward, JMM steps back and lands sharp combinations. The more Pac presses him, the better JMM does. He can't fight manny coming forward without getting hurt; however, this fight was the best because he didn't even try to step forward. Beautiful flawless performance, but these guys will always have the same fight over and over and over and at the end I always ask the same question, why can't Juan throw jabs in the spaces when Manny is just staying back? It was the same story in the last rounds in the last two fights, in my opinion.
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11-13-2011, 08:24 PM	#6
bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: GA Posts: 33,587 vCash: 524	Re: How come Marquez didn't Because he didn't want to get countered
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11-13-2011, 08:30 PM	#8
Cableaddict Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6,500 vCash: 973	Re: How come Marquez didn't ^ Exactly. JMM initiated a lot more exchanges than Pac did. Sure, he mostly did his counterpunching thing, but then that's what he's good at. I was amazed at just how much he DID come forward. - And he landed a hard blow almost every time.
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11-13-2011, 09:07 PM	#10
jmmpbf Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,645 vCash: 500	Re: How come Marquez didn't Its because if you watch the first 2 fights, if he didnt get KD, he woulda clearly beat Pac. So he boxed, and shoulda been granted a win....again.
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11-13-2011, 09:31 PM	#13
Brauer Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,365 vCash: 601	Re: How come Marquez didn't It was a convincing win. Only pactards don't think so.
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11-13-2011, 10:22 PM	#15
RoosterC Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: England Posts: 1,966 vCash: 394	Re: How come Marquez didn't The majority of members gave every close round to JMM just because he was the underdog. That is simply not how you score a fight. Pac clearly won. JMM dod not come forward more or throw more simply because he was scared to get knocked out.
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