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Old 11-14-2011, 06:06 AM   #16
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I don't think so (unless you're talking about people who routinely overrate him on this forum).

JMM got the gameplan spot on. He will always give Pacquiao trouble (even though I didn't expect him to this time).

Will other good counter punchers trouble him? Possibly, but probably not in the same way Marquez did. And just because they are good counter punchers, that does not mean they can beat Pacquiao. Pacquiao is good enough to overturn style disadvantages. The only guy who can beat Pacquiao in the 140lb-147lb range (aside from JMM, depending on how you scored the bout) is Mayweather.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:08 AM   #17
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So Marquez judging by most of these comments. Manny is Shit. And Marquez deserved to win all 3 fights ( but only just as they were all close fights)

SO Marquez shouldnt really get much credit for only just beating a Shit Boxer like Manny who has been carefully managed.

Correct?
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:09 AM   #18
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well how he fares in fantasy fights will now be worse than ever (not that he ever fared well except maybe in the eyes of true nut-huggers)

but his accomplishments still stand out as the most impressive the past decade for any fighter.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:09 AM   #19
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Manny is a great fighter, but certain styles give him trouble, certain styles benefit his style. Manny is a ATG no doubt about it, Marquez just happens to be another ATG.

If Pac is overrated, than what does that do for Barrera's, Marquez's, and Morales's status? How about Those 3 are great fighters, head and shoulders better than any other fighter Pac has fought?

Saying Pac is top 10 ATG is overrating him.

Saying Pac is top 40 ATG is not overrating him.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:11 AM   #20
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Do people think manny is overrated?

Or does more credit need to be given to Marquez who is an ATG and just put on the performance of his life.

Another question will Manny struggle with other counter punchers and boxer punchers out there such as Gurrero and Floyd. Or is Marquez one of the few who has the right style and mental attitude to beat (or almost beat) Manny.

Is he the Hearns to Leonard? Or is Manny overrated and will struggle and lose to all good counter punchers?
Nope. One weakish performance shouldn't change one's oppinion of a fighter.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:11 AM   #21
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Do people think manny is overrated?

Or does more credit need to be given to Marquez who is an ATG and just put on the performance of his life.

Another question will Manny struggle with other counter punchers and boxer punchers out there such as Gurrero and Floyd. Or is Marquez one of the few who has the right style and mental attitude to beat (or almost beat) Manny.

Is he the Hearns to Leonard? Or is Manny overrated and will struggle and lose to all good counter punchers?

speaking of hearns.....you are only as good as your last fight....especially in the day of forum 24/7 overblown critics.... heres how hearns would have been looked at on ESB back in the 80's

1980 Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cueavas LEGEND
1981 Thomas Hearns LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard OVERRATED
1984 Thomas Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran LEGEND
1985 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Marvin Hagler OVERRATED
1986 Thomas Hearns W12 Doug DeWitt OVERRATED

1987 Thomas Hearns TKO10 Dennis Andries LEGEND
1988 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Iran Barkley OVERRATED
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:12 AM   #22
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I think Marquez to manny is like Hearns to Leonard.

I think hearns would beat leonard more times out of 10 if they fought. And i still think Marquez beats Manny more times out of 10.

However leonard is ranked higher because of other achievements just as Manny is ranked higher
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:13 AM   #23
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speaking of hearns.....you are only as good as your last fight....especially in the day of forum 24/7 overblown critics.... heres how hearns would have been looked at on ESB back in the 80's

1980 Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cueavas LEGEND
1981 Thomas Hearns LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard OVERRATED
1984 Thomas Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran LEGEND
1985 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Marvin Hagler OVERRATED
1986 Thomas Hearns W12 Doug DeWitt OVERRATED

1987 Thomas Hearns TKO10 Dennis Andries LEGEND
1988 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Iran Barkley OVERRATED
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:19 AM   #24
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speaking of hearns.....you are only as good as your last fight....especially in the day of forum 24/7 overblown critics.... heres how hearns would have been looked at on ESB back in the 80's

1980 Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cueavas LEGEND
1981 Thomas Hearns LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard OVERRATED
1984 Thomas Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran LEGEND
1985 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Marvin Hagler OVERRATED
1986 Thomas Hearns W12 Doug DeWitt OVERRATED

1987 Thomas Hearns TKO10 Dennis Andries LEGEND
1988 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Iran Barkley OVERRATED

Exactly true. You could do it with any boxer in history too.

Ali would have been prie pickings for been overrated on ESB
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:20 AM   #25
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care to share pls???


me it havent change but confirmed it...pbf easy ud....
Well, here is a prediction vid I made a year ago...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peDTdpAN3dk[/ame]

I used to think Manny could eke a decision by forcing FMJ to be too concerned with defense to mount a sustained offense, but now...Manny doesn't stand a chance, outside of a grand slam shot, or a bs decision...yeah, styles makes fights, no doubt, but every thing JMM can do in there against Pac, FMJ can do better.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:27 AM   #26
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Well, here is a prediction vid I made a year ago...

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

I used to think Manny could eke a decision by forcing FMJ to be too concerned with defense to mount a sustained offense, but now...Manny doesn't stand a chance, outside of a grand slam shot, or a bs decision...yeah, styles makes fights, no doubt, but every thing JMM can do in there against Pac, FMJ can do better.
unless pac comes like a daredevil, like when he fought barrera and jmm (1st round 1st fight)....pac has a chance to overwork and even knockout pbf....

but if he fights technically with floyd, like he did to jmm....no chance in hell pac wins...
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:30 AM   #27
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Well, here is a prediction vid I made a year ago...

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I used to think Manny could eke a decision by forcing FMJ to be too concerned with defense to mount a sustained offense, but now...Manny doesn't stand a chance, outside of a grand slam shot, or a bs decision...yeah, styles makes fights, no doubt, but every thing JMM can do in there against Pac, FMJ can do better.

FMJ is completely differant. He potshots with the same shots (Straight Right and Left Hook)

JMM is much better at coutering with a range of combinations to body and head. But they are completely differant styles.

However floyd is much better defensively, but i'd say he doesn't counter with anywhere near the same style.

Manny will have trouble i agree but i wouldn't let what marquez can do make up your mind
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:27 AM   #28
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Well, here is a prediction vid I made a year ago...

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I used to think Manny could eke a decision by forcing FMJ to be too concerned with defense to mount a sustained offense, but now...Manny doesn't stand a chance, outside of a grand slam shot, or a bs decision...yeah, styles makes fights, no doubt, but every thing JMM can do in there against Pac, FMJ can do better.
Marquez has better positioning against southpaws, maybe a better counter puncher, but otherwise yes it should be a shutout
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:01 AM   #29
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Like every fighter he is overrated by his fans
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:46 AM   #30
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speaking of hearns.....you are only as good as your last fight....especially in the day of forum 24/7 overblown critics.... heres how hearns would have been looked at on ESB back in the 80's

1980 Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cueavas LEGEND
1981 Thomas Hearns LTKO14 Sugar Ray Leonard OVERRATED
1984 Thomas Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran LEGEND
1985 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Marvin Hagler OVERRATED
1986 Thomas Hearns W12 Doug DeWitt OVERRATED

1987 Thomas Hearns TKO10 Dennis Andries LEGEND
1988 Thomas Hearns LKO3 Iran Barkley OVERRATED
Got the font there on Hearns/DeWitt messed up, ****face
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