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Old 11-17-2011, 02:14 AM   #16
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Kongo would KO any heavyweight boxer, bring them over to UFC and lets see how tough they are, they would get smashed by Kongo quickly
Cheick "leave my chin out to dry" Kongo! No he wouldn't any half decent boxer would send him bobo's within seconds!
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:39 PM   #17
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:11 PM   #18
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Boxers are BETTER punchers (better multi-punch combinations, balance, defense while punching, angles, footwork etc) than MMA fighters, but are not HARDER punchers on a per-punch basis. This makes sense because all boxers have to do is punch. Put them in sparring with kicks and takedowns and watch their punching skills change. From a boxing point of view they will be deteriorating but from an MMA standpoint they'll be improving by squaring up, lowering their hands a bit, changing their balance etc. The best possible boxing technique is horrible for MMA and the best possible punching technique in MMA is nowhere near boxing. All of this can be summed up as "they're two different sports, stop ****ing comparing them".

And yeah, it's the gloves.
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:15 AM   #19
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Well yes i do, considering I have fought in both styles at relatively high levels. People can say its the glove size but thats BS.
Do you find your own punch resistance increased when you boxed and decreased when you fought MMA
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Old 11-19-2011, 02:03 AM   #20
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Boxers are BETTER punchers (better multi-punch combinations, balance, defense while punching, angles, footwork etc) than MMA fighters, but are not HARDER punchers on a per-punch basis. This makes sense because all boxers have to do is punch. Put them in sparring with kicks and takedowns and watch their punching skills change. From a boxing point of view they will be deteriorating but from an MMA standpoint they'll be improving by squaring up, lowering their hands a bit, changing their balance etc. The best possible boxing technique is horrible for MMA and the best possible punching technique in MMA is nowhere near boxing. All of this can be summed up as "they're two different sports, stop ****ing comparing them".

And yeah, it's the gloves.
I've heard this argument before, and while I understand its points, I have to disagree. I've watched a good share of MMA fights, and often times, MMA fighters that are engaged in the rhythm of stand-up will "un-square" their backfoot and assume a stance much closer to that of a classic boxing stance, as opposed to the more generally seen widened stance. A boxer of course would have to acclimate to the realities of MMA to survive and preserve what we consider better punching technique, which does translate into better power 99 percent of the time. I think the fundamental angles translate well, even if not completely.
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Old 11-19-2011, 10:53 AM   #21
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I've heard this argument before, and while I understand its points, I have to disagree. I've watched a good share of MMA fights, and often times, MMA fighters that are engaged in the rhythm of stand-up will "un-square" their backfoot and assume a stance much closer to that of a classic boxing stance, as opposed to the more generally seen widened stance. A boxer of course would have to acclimate to the realities of MMA to survive and preserve what we consider better punching technique, which does translate into better power 99 percent of the time. I think the fundamental angles translate well, even if not completely.

This happens when both guys think they can win in the stand up exchanges and so there's no real threats of takedowns or one guy is so good at subs on the ground that he doesn't care if he gets taken down and the other guy is a stand up fighter etc. In fights where one guy doesn't want to get taken down and the other guy wants to take him down, the guy who wants to stay on his feet will be way more squared up than a traditional boxing stance. Even when he angles his body, he won't leave his leg out there the way they do in boxing, he'll likely hold it more in a kickboxing stance with the hip turned from his opponent.

If you take a boxer and put him in an mma fight with someone who can take him down, he will and that will be that. Someone with a better boxing background would certainly have the advantage at head movement and combination punching/balance, but that's never been as useful in MMA as a good takedown/grappling game. I wish this weren't the case because I'm a much better boxer than I am a grappler, but there's no real argument.

If someone wants to flame Velasquez with some boxing stuff, it should have nothing to do with his "chin", it should have to do with is distance/angle/head movement in that minute against JDS.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:36 PM   #22
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maybe that's because you don't have 8 count in mma? Once the guy is rocked fury of punches is unloaded so by the accumulation it is quite easy to go out...no one there waits for you to recover
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:38 PM   #23
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Playing Xbox whilst stoned is not "relatively high levels".
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:45 PM   #24
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I think there 4 main reason why mma fighters go down easier then boxers

1. Thinner gloves

2. They prefer to battle on the ground + while you down you restore a little bit

3. Glass jaws, just like in boxing

4. Because you constantly get kicked in the legs, your muscles getting weaker, and that's why it's easier to knock someone down. I got kicked in the legs muscle before i know how painful it can be
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Old 11-19-2011, 01:57 PM   #25
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Boxers have more experience following punches and tend to able to see them coming better to brace themselves and sometimes go with the flow of the punch to lessen the impact. MMA fighters also have more things to look out for, such as kicks, takedowns, knees, elbows, etc, so it makes it more difficult to always follow every punch being thrown when your attention is in so many places and the hits you don't see coming are the most devastating.
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This happens when both guys think they can win in the stand up exchanges and so there's no real threats of takedowns or one guy is so good at subs on the ground that he doesn't care if he gets taken down and the other guy is a stand up fighter etc. In fights where one guy doesn't want to get taken down and the other guy wants to take him down, the guy who wants to stay on his feet will be way more squared up than a traditional boxing stance. Even when he angles his body, he won't leave his leg out there the way they do in boxing, he'll likely hold it more in a kickboxing stance with the hip turned from his opponent.

If you take a boxer and put him in an mma fight with someone who can take him down, he will and that will be that. Someone with a better boxing background would certainly have the advantage at head movement and combination punching/balance, but that's never been as useful in MMA as a good takedown/grappling game. I wish this weren't the case because I'm a much better boxer than I am a grappler, but there's no real argument.

If someone wants to flame Velasquez with some boxing stuff, it should have nothing to do with his "chin", it should have to do with is distance/angle/head movement in that minute against JDS.
As I said, boxer-based fighter would have to adapt to the dimensions of the game, but even watching Diaz-Penn, they were engaged in full standup and Penn couldn't do a thing about it really. He couldn't even get a takedown which Diaz easily sprawled as he continued dominating with a lazy but stiff jab and wide ass combinatins. Evans VS Ortiz, I saw the same thing. I even remember Aldo fighting someone two fights ago or so who was dominating whole sections of the fight by using nothing more than a philly-shell defense, and a clean jab. My point is just that the fundamentals do largely transition to the stand-up of MMA, and I've seen the fighter with the better traditional boxing skills dominate his opponent a good amount of times in MMA fights (which says a lot considering I only tune in occasionally, for a big fight or when it's just on TV for free.)
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Boxers have more experience following punches and tend to able to see them coming better to brace themselves and sometimes go with the flow of the punch to lessen the impact. MMA fighters also have more things to look out for, such as kicks, takedowns, knees, elbows, etc, so it makes it more difficult to always follow every punch being thrown when your attention is in so many places and the hits you don't see coming are the most devastating.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:46 PM   #28
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I kind of agree, but you have to take in account that boxers are watching for 2 fists coming to there face... The MMA guys are watching for 2 fists, 2 legs, 2 knees, 2 elbows, and worrying about getting charged at the same time.
Just watch in boxing how somebody will feint to the body, the opponent looks down, and then that person punches them in the face. Look at how badly it hurt them because they never saw it coming. Kind of the same way in MMA.
There are plenty of boxers that aren't comparable to being tough like Margarito, Gatti, Ward, etc, and give in easily. I do agree there are plenty of tough acting MMA guys who get dropped with the easiest of punches.... Kimbo anybody? Brock anybody?

Think that's the thing... A lot of these guys act tough like pro wrestlers (which brock was), they build up the entertainment value, and this guy caves in like a girl. Some pro boxers do it too, but not many fighters talk that much trash, and at least the ones that do typically don't get knocked out by a jab.
It'd be comparable to Mayweather talking smach like he does against let's say Kermit Cintron (quiet, don't say much, known to be somewhat of a whiner) and Cintron bitch slaps him around the ring, and it's just brutal. That's what some of these fights are comparable to.
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Old 11-19-2011, 07:00 PM   #29
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It is no secret that MMA fighters fold MUCH easier than boxers do. How often do you see boxers at the championship level covering up with both hands and turn their backs within the first couple minutes of the fight. Rarely, if ever. In MMA, it happens quite often.
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It is no secret that MMA fighters fold MUCH easier than boxers do. How often do you see boxers at the championship level covering up with both hands and turn their backs within the first couple minutes of the fight. Rarely, if ever. In MMA, it happens quite often.
I thought your arse was banned from the MMA forum for rampant trolling.

Stick to girly 3 minute rounds Hookerslut - real men go 5 minutes.
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