Pac-Marquez III Scorecard & A Few Comments

[Arcane]

Originally Posted by Popkins

Yawn. Hopefully only another couple of posts from this boring shit before he has to go to bed as it's a school night.

You keep yawning as much as you want Nancy, Divac already exposed your agenda driven bullshit of a thread already

[Stiltskin]

Well I disagree I thought JMM was the close but clear winner in any case though it was a really good fight and there hasn't been to many lately so even with bias and agenda's with some posters at least the fight was good right? so was the undercard it does hurt boxing that the wrong guy won because of potential money though.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Arcane

You keep yawning as much as you want Nancy, Divac already exposed your agenda driven bullshit of a thread already

Divac is the last guy who should be condemning other posters for having an agenda.

[Arcane]

Originally Posted by Addie

Divac is the last guy who should be condemning other posters for having an agenda.

Divac does think half the active fighters out there are on PED's.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Arcane

Divac does think half the active fighters out there are on PED's.

An intelligent & passionate fight fan, but Divac leaves no room for compromise. We could never stay friends for too long.

[ptm]

Divac is a fag.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by ptm

Marquez let up the last 3 rounds.

He deserved to lose.

I gave JMM 2 of the last 3.

[praetorianJJ]

Originally Posted by Addie

I gave JMM 2 of the last 3.

I'd say JMM won all three but all are debatable.

[divac]

Originally Posted by Arcane

Divac does think half the active fighters out there are on PED's.

You might have me confused with someone else.
I never said that.

......what I did say is that there are very few fighters out there that would shock me if they tested positive to a real PED test.
That does'nt mean that I think every fighter out there is on PED's.

[carias]

Originally Posted by Popkins

- One thing I noticed was that Marquez's punches were more eye-catching because when Pac landed he landed straight punches which were thrown from quite far back and so didn't land with full power, whereas Marquez landed shots he turned his body into and therefore looked more effective, but it was Pacquiao who landed more in more rounds I think

Soooo, Marquez looked like he landed the cleaner and harder punches because he landed cleaner and more powerful punches?

Thanks, guy.

[anundecidedarm]

Originally Posted by Popkins

I'll start with two comments before I get down to trying to score these rounds accurately:


1 - Seriously, how can any real boxing fan say this wasn't a close fight???

2 - This fight really does underline how insanely difficult to score boxing is compared to other sports. There were a few rounds in there which mean I really cannot have a strong conviction over the verdict. In a three-minute round where both guys throw and land a similar amount of punches, sometimes it really does feel arbitrary just picking out one factor/moment in order to call the round. I don't understand how anyone can be so decisive over some fights when there are rounds like these.


Anyway, here goes, a tentative scorecard because some rounds were extremely, extremely close and highly open to interpretation (until the scoring system or the form of a boxing match changes, this will continue to happen):

ONE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac lands better punches, couple of good straight shots / CLOSE

TWO: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / CLOSE

THREE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac lands better shots down the stretch / CLOSE

FOUR: 10-10 / Pac is edging round until JMM lands good shots near end

FIVE: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / CLEAR (clearest round of the fight)

SIX: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Pac outworks him / CLOSE

SEVEN: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / Pac lands a couple of quality shots near end, but overall a Marquez round / CLEAR

EIGHT: Pacquiao 9-10 Marquez / Edged by JMM landing the cleaner shots / CLOSE

NINE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Very tricky to score. JMM lands good combos, Pac outworks him, lands good shots near end / CLOSE

TEN: 10-10 / Very difficult to score

ELEVEN: 10-10 / JMM lands 2 best shots of the round, but Pac does more work. Round could be scored any way and it wouldn't be wrong / CLOSE

TWELVE: Pacquiao 10-9 Marquez / Another killer to score, but Pac is the only one who lands a decisive, significant punch to punctuate the fight / CLOSE


Number of close rounds: TEN out of TWELVE

Number of clear rounds: TWO out of TWELVE (5 ,7 - both to Marquez)


Final score: Pacquiao 115-115 Marquez



Some Further Comments


- The fact that Marquez won the two clearest rounds of the fight (5, 7) is one of the several key reasons why many were shouting "robbery" in the immediate aftermath

- One thing I noticed was that Marquez's punches were more eye-catching because when Pac landed he landed straight punches which were thrown from quite far back and so didn't land with full power, whereas Marquez landed shots he turned his body into and therefore looked more effective, but it was Pacquiao who landed more in more rounds I think

- The last 3 rounds could probably all have been scored either way, which is why I think people with extremely strong convictions over who won is silly. I've seen people saying Marquez was robbed and I've seen people saying Marquez cannot have won the fight - both are very wrong IMO




Final Note


My card for the 1st fight was 115-112 Pacquiao

My card for the 2nd fight was 114-114

My card for the 3rd fight was 115-115

Therefore, after 36 rounds I have a majority draw, of sorts.

Do I want to see a fourth fight?

Hell Yes is the answer!


http://solarsports.ph/site/default/i...quiao1_576.jpg

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_im...ezPacquiao.jpg

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...-story-top.jpg

lol i like pac's hair in the last pic. i think his hair might've slightly exaggerated JMM's hits.



Edit: not to sound gay, but pac has really nice hair.

[KO Boxing]

The TS is a good poster (except for some Pac related stuff), but I can't respect that scorecard.

Fight 1: 113-112 JMM (8 rounds to 4 to JMM, with Pac's 3 knockdowns)

Fight 2: 114-113 JMM (7 rounds to 5 to JMM, with Pac's 1 knockdown)

Fight 3: 116-112 JMM (8 rounds to 4 to JMM, with no knockdowns).

That's 23 rounds to 13 to JMM overall (pretty wide when you consider how close the first 2 fights were), but obviously Pac has the 4 knockdowns (ironically, 3 of them came way back in the first round of the 1st fight).

[divac]

Originally Posted by KO Boxing

The TS is a good poster (except for some Pac related stuff), but I can't respect that scorecard.

Fight 1: 113-112 JMM (8 rounds to 4 to JMM, with Pac's 3 knockdowns)

Fight 2: 114-113 JMM (7 rounds to 5 to JMM, with Pac's 1 knockdown)

Fight 3: 116-112 JMM (8 rounds to 4 to JMM, with no knockdowns).

That's 23 rounds to 13 to JMM overall (pretty wide when you consider how close the first 2 fights were), but obviously Pac has the 4 knockdowns (ironically, 3 of them came way back in the first round of the 1st fight).

Yep!
The first of their 36 rounds produced 3 knockdowns.....

.....they have since fought 35 more rounds which have produced a total of 1, count 'em, 1 knockdown.

[KO Boxing]

Originally Posted by divac

Yep!
The first of their 36 rounds produced 3 knockdowns.....

.....they have since fought 35 more rounds which have produced a total of 1, count 'em, 1 knockdown.

And out of those 35 rounds, JMM won 23 of 'em.

Incredible.

[Arcane]

Originally Posted by anundecidedarm

lol i like pac's hair in the last pic. i think his hair might've slightly exaggerated JMM's hits.



Edit: not to sound gay, but pac has really nice hair.

Well you've failed in your attempt at not sounding gay.