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Old 11-18-2011, 12:44 AM   #16
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He has an ATG offensive motor. I know "offensive motor" isn't a boxing term, but that's how I describe his best asset. Can't name too many that have one better.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:52 AM   #17
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nice, you showed old clip. just prove my point marquez was arm punching and has no torque on his punches last fight, because most of his energy was spent on defense.

look, he added weight and maintained speed, most logical conlusion to this is he would lose stamina in the latter rounds. but he did sort of maintain his stamina.

so where is the effect then? he sacrificed his offensive power.
those punches that looked pretty, well they just llooked pretty. hardly any damage on pac.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:56 AM   #18
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:58 AM   #19
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nice, you showed old clip. just prove my point marquez was arm punching and has no torque on his punches last fight, because most of his energy was spent on defense.

look, he added weight and maintained speed, most logical conlusion to this is he would lose stamina in the latter rounds. but he did sort of maintain his stamina.

so where is the effect then? he sacrificed his offensive power.
those punches that looked pretty, well they just llooked pretty. hardly any damage on pac.
Just shut the **** up already man, don't you get tired?

Pacquiao admitted to getting hurt by Marquez.

A vast majority of posters on ESB (including respectable ones) agree that Marquez landed the cleaner punches in a majority of rounds.

Stop posting bullshit about how Marquez's punches just "looked pretty" as if Pacquiao landed anything more meaningful than Marquez. You're embarrassing yourself man. Let it go.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:06 AM   #20
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No doubt Pactards had Pac winning that exchange!
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:22 AM   #21
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powerful isnt the right word. explosiveness is. like mosley said. doesnt look like a hard is coming to you, pac doesnt load. his punches just explode in your face. like a small bomb detonated.

i think pac traded some of his power for speed and combo. you can see this the way he wams up and drill his punches on the mitts.
You're a ****ing idiot. I mean seriously. You don't even understand what power is and you obviously don't know the first thing about boxing. Don't step to the left if you want to land a right on a southpaw? Fantastic stuff
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:28 AM   #22
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powerful isnt the right word. explosiveness is. like mosley said. doesnt look like a hard is coming to you, pac doesnt load. his punches just explode in your face. like a small bomb detonated.

i think pac traded some of his power for speed and combo. you can see this the way he wams up and drill his punches on the mitts.
oh ok yeah, Pac is the most explosive boxer of all time
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:35 AM   #23
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Dude you are clueless.

You are full of crap. This is no problem for a skilled counterpuncher. All you have to do is vary your movement and step correctly.
Slide the back leg back and left first rolling the shoulder toward the opponent. Fire off a jab to cover the attack. Slide the front leg out and left re-establishing your base. Drive the straight right into your opponent as he pivots to align himself. Roll and pivot out.

You Pactards just make this crap up.

-the problem is which punches you are going to roll. pac doesnt load up his anymore. wathc the clip above. watch the fight in slowmo, marquez was just reacting to pac's punches, and most of the time touching/reaching him. on normal motion video, it looked like he landed because pac's hair flailed/raffled as he covered and/or evade. pac is no longer your traditional boxer. he trained for speed, speed and more speed for this fight because he knows he can take marquez punches.

if you do all the steps you mentioned there, you will eat 3-4 punches before you are in the third step.

im not saying you are wrong. im saying, against pac, this is difficult to do.


Pac doesn't command anything. He commands picking shot, old, and perfect style opponents. Nothing more. He ALWAYS picks the loser. He messed up when he picked JMM.
-to some extent this is applicable to every boxers. floyd cherrypicking mismatch opponents and worst on others cheating them on the scales. marquez, granted he was cheated, was forced to fight an offensive type of type, he was out of rhytym.

sure. pac doesnt command anything and punches nothing but air. jmm punched himself that night.

Pac doesn't evade/block anything. Ask Clottey. Pac is right there to be hit by anyone prime. That is exactly why Pac won't face anyone prime, i.e., Mayweather.
-aginst clottey, it was done on purpose to make clottey open up. unlike floyd, pac actually cares for his fans and audience.

agains marquez, watch teh fight in slow mo round by round, punch by punch. you will be shocked those body shots that looked pretty actually landed on pacs elbow. those jabs and power shots of jmm mostly landed on pacs gloves and or arms. if he did, pac shouldnt look like he was coming from a shower after the fight.

your boy had the chance to fight the winner of pac-hatton, why did he sign marquez 24hrs before that fight? he was more prime then than now. why not wait for the result of the fight? hatton wins, he fights him in u.k. wasnt this floyd's dream? pac wins, he fights one dimensional midget, who has no defense, doesnt hit anything but air, doesnt fight opponents in their price. it was an easy payday for a an easier night of work? WHY ****ING WHY?

Mosley is shot. Clottey was fixed. You call what JMM did "surviving"?
-the shot mosley almost decapitated your boy, and that was supposedly the un-roided mosley.

clottey's style was to tire opponents while shelling because he has long arms/short body. where when the turtles up, his elbows almosts touch his trunk/belt. there is not enough space to punch. unfortunately pac doensnt get tired.
You are a Pactard.
watd they say bout njot shooting the messenger? debate the topic not the person.

and lastly, im going to prefer putting my head on a train rail than sucking someones dick anyday of the week.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:38 AM   #24
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Come on Sunn, don't make it worse to other pac fans
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:39 AM   #25
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speed and explosiveness fade. at his peak, he was a marvel- throwing punches at such velocity and frequency like i havent seen before. i hope those days are not gone for the pac monster.
it always will fade. when it does, if he decides to stay up longer, he will resort to more defense like floyd does.

walk down opponents with defense and his chin.
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:41 AM   #26
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Void is still running from Pac! Geeeeeeeee, wonder why??????????
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:41 AM   #27
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it always will fade. when it does, if he decides to stay up longer, he will resort to more defense like floyd does.

walk down opponents with defense and his chin.
OH man you're a dumbass
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:46 AM   #28
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Old 11-18-2011, 01:51 AM   #29
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OH man you're a dumbass
you think pac wont be able to do it? why is your opinion counts more than mine? because you have groupie to back you up?

im not sure pac will get to that point, prolly in his 40's. if he wants to stay, he has to learn to use defense first and then counter. if he doesnt, he going to end up like rjj who still fights like he has the same reflexes.

edit: and he will prolly only fighst people his size.

jordan wasnt the same jordan at his last run to three peat. he relied more on backing up (similar to walking down opponents in boxing) his guards and fade aways(similar to counters) than straight up breaking down the defense and drive to the basket or shoot, outjumping everyone in the process (in and out and punching from all angles).

people evolved (forced to use different tricks) when their old self is no longer capable, to stay in the game, in this case, at the highest level. thats just life is.

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Old 11-18-2011, 01:53 AM   #30
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meh, SSM, RJJ, and Tyson were all faster, and more explosive than Pac, anyway can he just Man up and fight Mayweather, damn this shit is sad.
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