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Old 05-16-2013, 06:13 PM   #1
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A cornerman is responsible for keeping his fighter safe and knowing when to call it quits or keep it going. Some tough decisions had to be made in the past. I'd say Eddie Futch stopping the Ali-Frazier III fight was the toughest decision to ever make.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:27 PM   #2
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Robert Garcia letting Margarito go 12 rds with Pac. It was hard to watch.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:28 PM   #3
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Nazim insisting that Mosley take two more rounds of punishment against Pac after Mosley pleaded to stop the fight on his stool after the 10th.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:32 PM   #4
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one of the most painful would be buddy mcgirt tellings gatti he couldn't fight on in the mayweather fight
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:55 PM   #5
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Having to pull the plug, baby
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:57 PM   #6
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I completely agree with your Eddie Futch call. That call was going to change history. His man was going to be forever second best. It would psychologically damage Frazier for the rest of his life. But, at least he had a rest of his life.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:59 PM   #7
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What would of happened if Frazier had come out for round 15..?
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:06 PM   #8
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What would of happened if Frazier had come out for round 15..?
Ali was about to quit himself, Frazier just quit before Ali had the chance just goes to show how tough of a fight it was.

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After the 14th round, Frazier's trainer, Eddie Futch, stopped the fight. Shortly before his death 26 years later, Futch said, with certainty in his voice: 'To this day, some people say to me, "There were only three minutes left. Why did you stop it?" And my answer has never changed. I tell them, "I'm not a timekeeper. I'm a handler of fighters".'

The stoppage was fortuitous for Ali. Years later, Wali Muhammad, one of Ali's cornermen in Manila, acknowledged: 'After the 14th, Ali came back to the corner and told us, "Cut 'em off". That's how tired he was. He wanted us to cut his gloves off. Angelo [Ali's trainer] ignored him. He started wiping Ali's face, getting him ready for the 15th. We sponged him down. I don't know if he'd have gone out for the last round or not. Ali's not a quitter; he'd never quit. But I'd never seen him exhausted like that before.'

'Frazier quit just before I did,' Ali told me in 1990. 'I didn't think I could fight any more.'

Ali conducted his post-fight interview while sitting on a stool in the ring. 'I was surprised Joe had so much stamina,' he said. 'There was too much pressure. He's the greatest fighter of all times next to me. This is too painful. It's too much work. I might have a heart attack or something.'
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Ali was about to quit himself, Frazier just quit before Ali had the chance just goes to show how tough of a fight it was.
Ali wanted to quit, but Dundee would not stop it. Frazier did not want to quit, but Futch stopped it.

Both guys probably would of come out for the last round, and i actually think somebody would of died as a result of that. On so many levels that fight was probably one of the most brutal fights of all-time. The heat and humidity, and also fighting under those ring lights would not be medically allowed in today's big fights in my opinion.

Even though both guys where not in their prime, this fight dramatically aged and chronically affected both guys.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:04 PM   #10
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Cornermen for Gatti or ward in the first fight
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Robert Garcia letting Margarito go 12 rds with Pac. It was hard to watch.
Yeah that was ridiculous.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:52 PM   #12
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Nazim insisting that Mosley take two more rounds of punishment against Pac after Mosley pleaded to stop the fight on his stool after the 10th.
WOW the second a fighter doesn't even believe he can win anymore you know your going lose. Shane ran in the fight so he didn't take too much punishment, a wise decision from Shane.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:54 PM   #13
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Cornermen for Gatti or ward in the first fight
I would have thrown in the towel in round 9 after he was taking those shots to the head.

It must have been difficult for Corrales' cornermen when he got knocked down twice by Castillo. Was Corrales' dad present in that fight?
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:29 PM   #14
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I would have thrown in the towel in round 9 after he was taking those shots to the head.

It must have been difficult for Corrales' cornermen when he got knocked down twice by Castillo. Was Corrales' dad present in that fight?
Joe Goosen was Chico's chief second at the time. He told him he
had to stop Castillo while he was putting Chico's mouthpiece in, so
he wasnt even close to stopping it. Turned out to be a good call
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:18 AM   #15
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