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Old 07-04-2007, 02:50 PM   #1
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His workrate was absolutley incredible, his combination punching beautiful. He was in perpetual motion, took some big, big shots from a middle hitting but genuine MW, and outlasted one of the best Stamina/Chin/Guts combo's ever to step into the ring.

He sparred over a hundred rounds for that fight and looks near invincible to me.

If he genuinely was better than that at WW, he must be the greatest.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:52 PM   #2
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He beats every middle ever...yet he was behind on the cards after 8 rounds. Hardly 'unbeatable' material.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:55 PM   #3
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His workrate was absolutley incredible, his combination punching beautiful. He was in perpetual motion, took some big, big shots from a middle hitting but genuine MW, and outlasted one of the best Stamina/Chin/Guts combo's ever to step into the ring.

He sparred over a hundred rounds for that fight and looks near invincible to me.

If he genuinely was better than that at WW, he must be the greatest.
I think that Randy Turpin would have conceivably beaten him even on that night.

He found a strategy which was a good foil for Robinson.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:55 PM   #4
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He beats every middle ever...yet he was behind on the cards after 8 rounds. Hardly 'unbeatable' material.
I'd be interested to hear which middle you think would have come out of those 8 rounds ahead v LaMotta in that fight. It's near insane aggression and workrate.

Robinson outboxes and outlasts his man beautifully, staying out of serious trouble whilst working Jake.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:57 PM   #5
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I think that Randy Turpin would have conceivably beaten him even on that night.

He found a strategy which was a good foil for Robinson.
Yes indeed.

But it should also be said that in their second fight - which Robinson was properly prepared for, in contrast to the first - Robinson briefly demonstrates a top gear we don't even see in the LaMotta fights.
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I'd be interested to hear which middle you think would have come out of those 8 rounds ahead v LaMotta in that fight. It's near insane aggression and workrate.

Robinson outboxes and outlasts his man beautifully, staying out of serious trouble whilst working Jake.


It's hard to say really. Although if you're going to go down the 'trained better than ever' route then it's only fair to acknowledge the 'weight weakened' opponent, which La Motta certainly was.*




* By the way, i don't. If they're weight-weakened, that's their tough shit.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:04 PM   #7
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* By the way, i don't. If they're weight-weakened, that's their tough shit.
Completely. Boxing is a composite sport and that includes your mental approach, training etc. LaMotta also trained very hard for this fight, he apparently sparred more rounds than Robinson.
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He did seem to be a bad matchup, but he didn't find the strategy in their second fight I will say, Robinson was also the master of rematches, so he wins a series with anyone IMO.
I like how Robinson can't find the right strategy but still wins. The shit hits the fan and he just goes into overdrive.

Imagine knowing you had that type of thing under your belt for an emergency. I'm trying to think of other fighters who had this secret gear. Jack Johnson maybe?
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Yes indeed.

But it should also be said that in their second fight - which Robinson was properly prepared for, in contrast to the first - Robinson briefly demonstrates a top gear we don't even see in the LaMotta fights.
Sure.

I think that in the second fight Turpin had the same problem that Max Schmeling had in the second Joe Louis fight.

He had beaten the unbeatable fighter first time round by finding a subtle flaw in their style and exploiting it. In the second fight the unbeatable fighter would not make the same mistake and would not get surprizesd.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:51 PM   #10
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I think a prime Bernard Hopkins gives him serious problems.
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Old 07-04-2007, 05:57 PM   #11
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His workrate was absolutley incredible, his combination punching beautiful. He was in perpetual motion, took some big, big shots from a middle hitting but genuine MW, and outlasted one of the best Stamina/Chin/Guts combo's ever to step into the ring.

He sparred over a hundred rounds for that fight and looks near invincible to me.

If he genuinely was better than that at WW, he must be the greatest.
I agree 100%

Even a young Ali used to rewatch Ray`s movements in the 6th lamotta fight, he would have dropped lamotta if the ref never stepped in... THATS how good srr was that night.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:23 PM   #12
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He was a great matador. Anybody shorter than him that comes in gets butchered. Would probably still have trouble with Monzon though.
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His workrate was absolutley incredible, his combination punching beautiful. He was in perpetual motion, took some big, big shots from a middle hitting but genuine MW, and outlasted one of the best Stamina/Chin/Guts combo's ever to step into the ring.

He sparred over a hundred rounds for that fight and looks near invincible to me.

If he genuinely was better than that at WW, he must be the greatest.
Other great middleweights would have showed him something different than Lamotta that night. Hagler and Hopkins had much more in their arsenal. Lamotta did have the the ability to keep coming though, and he was a hard opponent to keep off. Robinson was a complete fighting machine at his very best.

I have three documentaries on Robinson. Bright Lights and Dark Shadows, Pound for pound, and Sugar Ray's greatest fights.
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Sure.

I think that in the second fight Turpin had the same problem that Max Schmeling had in the second Joe Louis fight.

He had beaten the unbeatable fighter first time round by finding a subtle flaw in their style and exploiting it. In the second fight the unbeatable fighter would not make the same mistake and would not get surprizesd.
I could agree with your opinion if Robinson dominated Turpin in their rematch, but he did not. He was yet again behind on the cards, and was on the verge of getting stopped due to the terrible cut. If Turpin had survived the round, arguably the fight would have been stopped, as Robinson and Gainford were told "last round". I'm pretty sure Robinson pleaded for "one more round".

Louis dominated Schmeling during their rematch, Robinson never done the same with Turpin. He had problems yet again. The most important thing of all though, he won the fight.
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Other great middleweights would have showed him something different than Lamotta that night. Hagler and Hopkins had much more in their arsenal.
I agree with that. Hopkins for sure, and Hagler to a lesser extent.
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