Boxing News 24 Forum
Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-26-2011, 12:18 PM   #1
bballchamp11
Poster of the Year
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: GA
Posts: 1,189
vCash: 500
Default Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314pcxGkD3o[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-Ucms_pa8[/ame]

so how accurate are these videos now? if he improved what did he improve in?
bballchamp11 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-26-2011, 12:23 PM   #2
Toopretty
Custom made
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,469
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Yes. Better timing, conditioning, defense and Marquez still beat em. I think it was more so of a great performance by Marquez rather than what Pac did not do. Marquez is compulsive and we all know he moved up in weight fought all these guys just to get another shot at Pacquiao. Marquez probably fought that fight in his sleep every night while Pacquiao had believed his own hype and just went in business as usual.
Toopretty is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:24 PM   #3
sunnn
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,619
vCash: 101
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bballchamp11 View Post
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

so how accurate are these videos now? if he improved what did he improve in?
without wathcingthe videos, id say, he can setup his counters pretty well now. where before, he is mostly reliant (too eager, very obvious) on his left to do the damage. his right hooks, where mostly coincidental, like he didnt plan them. he uses it when the opportunity presents itself.

now he sets up those. i think. also, he feints well more now, throws a jab and his straight left. but marquez wasnt falling for that, his left was mostly scouted by jmm. even then, he landed some. jmm's movement also negated most pac's left straight.

edit: i think pac compensated for more lead left in the 3rd fight.
sunnn is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:25 PM   #4
SJS19
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 11,240
vCash: 75
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

He has a much better diversity in punches now.

I'd say his skillset has improved, and he has many more dimensions that just a straight left hand, but he still lacks the ability to adjust midfight by his own accord.
SJS19 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:35 PM   #5
sunnn
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 3,619
vCash: 101
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

also noticed here how marquez traded with pac, on several occasions for arguably long stretches. which was noticiably absent in the 3rd. the 3rd fight was marquez worst performance of the 3, which was not properly scrutinized because pac was expected to blow him out. the expectations bailed marquez out, and he was tiring toward the end. lots of hesitation moves on his offense.

edit: in the second video, what we learned is that you cant stalk pac. he does well when the opponents come to him. hatton, margo, to some extent cotto.
sunnn is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:42 PM   #6
TheChamp83
Journeyman
ESB Jr Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Brooklyn,New York
Posts: 197
vCash: 500
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

As the Great Pac-Tards would Say You have to Watch his Fights in Slow MO to see the Improvements!! I think from Now on!! (Pac-Tard Logic) We Should Let Pac-man Fight and then after the Fight!!! The Judges should watch the Fight in Slo Mo and Score the rounds!!!
Shoooot!! Pac man is so Great He can come Forward the Whole Fight and not even Land Any Punches and he should win because he's the Aggressor!!!
Or!!!
Forget Who land the Better Punches!! every-time Pac does that little Ali Shuffle we should give him the rounds!!!
TheChamp83 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:44 PM   #7
Atlanta
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,345
vCash: 528
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

He's gotten bigger, and he retained his speed. But the same problems still nag him that he had since he was a Super Featherweight. He can't deal with Lateral movement and counter punchers well. He likes guys who he can dictate exchanges with and when they don't give it to him he looks lost.

There is a reason matchmaking kept him away from Guzman, Raheem, and now Mayweather. He can't deal with lateral movement and counter punching, and he will get thrown into a blender if he fights Mayweather.
Atlanta is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:55 PM   #8
Leon
The Artful Dodger
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: SBA
Posts: 20,129
vCash: 75
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

not very much
Leon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:58 PM   #9
SJS19
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 11,240
vCash: 75
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Intelligent fighters, I mean those with elite ring IQ's such as Marquez and Mayweather, will always be a nightmare for Pacquaio, if you can dicate the fight to Pac then he doesn't adjust well. Marquez has done it, Morales dictated the fight the first time, and PBF is more than capable of doing the same thing.

If Hopkins was natrually 147 pounds, he'd have a brilliant chance of beating Pac too.
SJS19 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 12:59 PM   #10
Toopretty
Custom made
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,469
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheChamp83 View Post
As the Great Pac-Tards would Say You have to Watch his Fights in Slow MO to see the Improvements!! I think from Now on!! (Pac-Tard Logic) We Should Let Pac-man Fight and then after the Fight!!! The Judges should watch the Fight in Slo Mo and Score the rounds!!!
Shoooot!! Pac man is so Great He can come Forward the Whole Fight and not even Land Any Punches and he should win because he's the Aggressor!!!
Or!!!
Forget Who land the Better Punches!! every-time Pac does that little Ali Shuffle we should give him the rounds!!!
Toopretty is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 01:02 PM   #11
Toopretty
Custom made
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,469
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Atlanta View Post
He's gotten bigger, and he retained his speed. But the same problems still nag him that he had since he was a Super Featherweight. He can't deal with Lateral movement and counter punchers well. He likes guys who he can dictate exchanges with and when they don't give it to him he looks lost.

There is a reason matchmaking kept him away from Guzman, Raheem, and now Mayweather. He can't deal with lateral movement and counter punching, and he will get thrown into a blender if he fights Mayweather.
I don't think it will be competitive from Rd 1. Pac looked confused by rd 4 against Marquez... Floyd made Marquez look confused and frozen. I think it's safe to say Pac will not be letting his hands go against Floyd despite popular pactard belief that he can just come in swinging and Floyd will cower in a corner somewhere.
Toopretty is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 01:05 PM   #12
lunchmoneypunch
Journeyman
ESB Jr Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 139
vCash: 500
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Emannuel Augustus would make Pacquiao look like The Village Idiot.

He has not improved very much since his teens or his early twenties or his late twenties.However his team has much more dictatorial power over matchmaking now,than they did earlier in his career.

"Clottey will give a better fight than Floyd",ducking of the highest order!
lunchmoneypunch is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 01:06 PM   #13
Atlanta
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,345
vCash: 528
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toopretty View Post
I don't think it will be competitive from Rd 1. Pac looked confused by rd 4 against Marquez... Floyd made Marquez look confused and frozen. I think it's safe to say Pac will not be letting his hands go against Floyd despite popular pactard belief that he can just come in swinging and Floyd will cower in a corner somewhere.
I suspect the fight will go the same way the Ortiz fight went. Mayweather will dominate him at range in the center of the ring, Pacquiao will eventually force himself to charge through swinging, he will land much of nothing and might get popped in the mouth for his trouble, and this will repeat again and again, until Pacquiao stops throwing, at which point Mayweather will begin to walk him down, or does a Ricky Hatton and gets turned into a human pinball.
Atlanta is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 01:09 PM   #14
milkman11
Boxing Junkie
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 840
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

The catchweight fights helped Pacquiao out a lot. That is all.
milkman11 is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2011, 01:15 PM   #15
Boxing Fanatic
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Dominican Republic
Posts: 24,111
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Has manny pacquiao improved at all?

hes been facing shot fighters and past it ones since he beat jmm in 2008. fighting guys like that will not make him better. he got a taste of his own medicine in his last fight when he finally met a guy who is no push over. they thought jmm was gonna be another past it old fighter. they got a wake up call
Boxing Fanatic is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > General Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2015