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Old 12-20-2007, 11:35 AM   #1
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BORKED

This is his cherished Sambo competition that he was so desperate to defend, the championship that most of his opponents didn't even bother to turn up!

The guy he's facing looks like a bum, he looks grossly overweight, not chubby or podgy like Fedor but just fat.

Fedor gave up the UFC for this? Really? This?!
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:40 AM   #2
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:39 PM   #3
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Fedor gave up the UFC for this? Really? This?!
Yes, this. And what is the reason UFC has a problem with this? Besides UFC leadership beeing stupid greedy pricks?
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:43 PM   #4
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Yes, this. And what is the reason UFC has a problem with this? Besides UFC leadership beeing stupid greedy pricks?
I believe the real bone of contention was that Fedors greedy dumbass manager wanted the UFC to sign any joe shmucks that came out of Red Devil sports club no matter how bad and the guarantee that the UFC would hold some events in Russia.

The UFC allows fighters to compete in ADCC so I doubt they would be too bothered with Fedors can crushing sessions.
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:52 PM   #5
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I believe the real bone of contention was that Fedors greedy dumbass manager wanted the UFC to sign any joe shmucks that came out of Red Devil sports club no matter how bad and the guarantee that the UFC would hold some events in Russia.
Choosing between Fedor's stated version of events, and Dana's stated version of events, and knowing waht other heavyweights had to say about UFC contracts, I firmly believe in Fedor's version.

That is a just a simple deduction, not a pre-concieved assumption.

And what is a problem with Fedor fighting in his native Russia? I can not see any.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:00 PM   #6
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Fedors manager has admitted and freely states that one of the the clauses for Fedor was to allow other Red Devil fighters in the UFC.

Whats wrong with Fedor fighting in Russia? Well nothing if he wants to fade into obscurity.
But if he wants (I am starting to think he doesn't) to be considered the best HW in the world and the possible GOAT then he should go to the UFC and put the foot down on who is the real greatest fighter in the world establishing his legacy AND making more money than he could possibly imagine.
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:36 PM   #7
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They will defend Fedor no matter what he does or who he fights...the man can do no wrong in some peoples eyes.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:04 PM   #8
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Whats wrong with Fedor fighting in Russia? Well nothing if he wants to fade into obscurity.
He will fade into obscurity in Russia if he does not fight there.

UFC ain't the center of the universe. It is not even an organization that can keep its champions happy.
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He will fade into obscurity in Russia if he does not fight there.
There are things going on that neither Iron nor AJAX are capable of comprehending. This subject has been conversed through and through. They're incapable of grasping this concept.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:43 PM   #10
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He will fade into obscurity in Russia if he does not fight there.

UFC ain't the center of the universe. It is not even an organization that can keep its champions happy.
Is Fedor even that famous in Russia anyway?

And even still, the US is the media hub of the whole world, everything 'big' in America becomes popular and 'big' in the world.
I'm sure many many many Russians have seen and watch the UFC and if not already they would certainly tune in to watch Fedor.

Pride wasn't in Russia, it was in Japan, did he fade into obscurity in Russia while fighting in Japan? No, thats where he found his fame and fortune.
Going to the UFC would make him more famous and richer 10x what he was in Pride.

His career would take off, he would become a megastar if he always won his fights, he might even get on Letterman and the cover of ESPN and Sports Illustrated.
Hell, the NY Times already did a article on him a few years back, imagine if he were fighting in America on television every couple of months?

So lets look at the positives:
He would become more famous everywhere in the world including his home Country
He would become insanely rich.
He would establish himself as once again the undisputed best HW in the world
He would get to live in America
Place himself atop the P4P rankings again
He would secure his legacy as not only the greatest of our era but one of the greatest of all time(Lets not forget, hes only 31)

Negatives:
He would have to be constrained to a 4 fight deal.
He would miss out on those silly Sambo tournaments that no one really cares about, not even his opponents!


So again, what is there to lose? He has everything to gain!
The positives FAR outweigh the negatives its not even funny.
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:39 PM   #11
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His career would take off, he would become a megastar if he always won his fights, he might even get on Letterman and the cover of ESPN and Sports Illustrated.
He does not care about ESPN. Nobody but US cares about ESPN. He does not care about Letterman. Nobody in Russia ever heard of Letterman.

His fight with Lindland was attended by the president of Russia, so I guess he is well known there.

He was already voted, almost unanimously, to be #1 P4P MM fighter in the world. He had nothing to prove after that - there always be yet another fight to have, but who cares.

He had nothing to gain from the UFC deal. Nothing. Why would he sign away the rest of his career to an organization - where the heavyweight champion just run away, cursing and complaining?? Why in the world does he need to repeat Couture mistakes?

Wake up - UFC is just a promotion organization. Not the first one, not the last one. Fighter is always - always - bigger then some promotion. Just like fighters are bigger then the belts in all the boxing ABCs.
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:59 PM   #12
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I know that the fighters including Fedor are bigger than the organizations but Fedor still has to beat some fighters, its like how Lewis had to beat some fighters from his generation. Or how PBF needs to beat some fighters out there to secure his legacy.

Not fighting the likes of Couture(arguably the 2nd greatest HW of our generation) is a gaping hole. It is something that has to happen just like PBF-Cotto, Hearns-Leonard, Tyson-Lewis. It is a defining fight that needs to happen.

And Fedor wouldn't be signing his career away every contract is a 4 fight deal, its not the UFC's fault if Randy kept coming back again and again.
Fedor comes in for 4 fights that should last about 18 months. Fight Couture, AA, smash the oaf Sylvia and take out Gonzaga and then leave, fight Barnett outside and his resume is complete.

Someone like Couture has always been there its not like a situation with " theres always a new up and comer" Couture didn't just appear from nowhere, hes always been in the backround. Just like Leonard was in the backround of Hagler.
Couture and Fedor must fight. Fedor does have things still to prove.

Cross_trainer always used to make good points about this when he were around, the era we are in MMA is the equivalent of the Sullivan era in boxing.
The winner of Couture-Fedor will go down as the first undisputed unified HW MMA champion of the world, people will look back in 100 years at the fight as the melding of MMA history. The winner of the fight will be recognized as the first true MMA HW champion.

For Fedor to duck away from such a defining fight not just in his career but in MMA history is unfathomable.
It MUST happen, for it not to is unforgivable imo
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:03 PM   #13
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I know that the fighters including Fedor are bigger than the organizations but Fedor still has to beat some fighters,
No, he does not. He may retire as he pleases, take up extreme knitting, and nobody will be able to take away his career. He does not have to do anything whatsoever, and especially under a predatory contract with an organization that has been proven to be hard to deal with.

And his fight with Couture may just happen. Couture is apparently counting the days until he may escape from Dana W. and friends. This fight alone may just net both guys more $$$ then a lifetime with UFC. And they will deserve it.

Fedor "ducking" anybody is plain gross bullshit.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:16 PM   #14
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Listen, Crocop and Nog aren't the be all and end all of HW fighters.
There were HW's out there to fight that Fedor has never faced. AA and Sylvia have always been around Fedors reign in Pride.

Its not as if Couture and all these other fighters have popped out of nowhere.
You may not think he needs to fight other fighters but ALOT of people do.
Especially Couture.

Is what Fedor doing the hallmarks of a true champion? He's doing a Sven Otkke, hiding away fighting nobodies while the real competition is battling it out somehwere else.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:18 PM   #15
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There were HW's out there to fight that Fedor has never faced.
Amazing, is not it.
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