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Old 07-03-2007, 02:49 PM   #1
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Old 07-03-2007, 02:53 PM   #2
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1 - Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Harry Greb
3 - Carlos Monzon
4 - Charley Burley
5 - Bob Fitzimmons
6 - Bernard Hopkins
7 - Marvin Hagler
8 - Staley Ketchel
9 - Roy Jones Junior
10 Dick Tiger
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40 Paul Pender
39 Thomas Hearns
38 Rocky Graziano
37 Randy Turpin
36 Mike McCallum
35 Georges Carpentier
34 Les Darcy
33 Al McCoy
32 Fred Apostolio
31 Sambu Kalambay
30 Tiger Flowers
29 Gene Fullmer
28 Rodrigo Valdez
27 Dick Tiger
26 Bob Fitzsimmons
25 James Toney
24 Michael Nunn
23 Jack 'Twin' Sullivan
22 Mike O'Dowd
21 Jake LaMotta
20 Freddie Steele
19 Marcel Thil
18 Gorilla Jones
17 Sammy Langford
16 Emile Griffith
15 Joey Giardello
14 Kid McCoy
13 Nino Benvenuti
12 Tony Zale
11 Marcel Cerdan
10 Roy Jones
9 Jack Dempsey
8 Harry Greb
7 Marvin Hagler
6 Bernard Hopkins
5 Mickey Walker
4 Charley Burley
3 Stanley Ketchel
2 Ray Robinson
1 Carlos Monzon

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Old 07-03-2007, 02:59 PM   #4
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1. Harry Greb
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Charley Burley
8. Marcel Cerdan
9. Mickey Walker
10. Jake LaMotta
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40 Paul Pender
39 Thomas Hearns
38 Rocky Graziano

I hate you guys that get asked for 10 and cough up a 40.

Still, you got Burley at four, so I can't argue with you.

Where do yo have Burley on your WW list?

Please don't post the whole thing
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:09 PM   #6
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I hate you guys that get asked for 10 and cough up a 40.

Still, you got Burley at four, so I can't argue with you.

Where do yo have Burley on your WW list?

Please don't post the whole thing
I have Burley #10 all time, I do not have him on my Welterweight list...

Do not worry, it is a top 10 list!

Top 10 welters

1 Ray Robinson
2 Ray Leonard
3 Kid Gavilan
4 Emile Griffith
5 Henry Armstrong
6 Jose Napoles
7 Felix Trinidad
8 Oscar De La Hoya
9 Thomas Hearns
10 Carmen Bassillo

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Best Latinos of all time

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Why no Burley at Welter? He took some bodies down there, and as you know had 2/3 over Zivic in what could and possibly should have been a whitewash.
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Why no Burley at Welter? He took some bodies down there, and as you know had 2/3 over Zivic in what could and possibly should have been a whitewash.
I never really thought of Burley as a 147lber, I know he fought at as low as 145, but I do not know...

I think when I did my 147lbs list I was in my anti Burley phase. I once had Burley as high as #2 all time, but then I was lucky enough to see the Smith and I was decidedly underwhelmed...

But I need to recognize it was at the end of his career and that Burley is rated for his defence over everything else, which means he probably was not the most exciting fighter even in his prime.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:35 PM   #9
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1. Harry Grebb
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Mickey Walker

4. Jeff Clarke
5.
Stanley Ketchel
6. Carlos Monzon

7. Marvin Hagler
8. Ray Robinson
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Mike Gibbons

11. Charley Burley
12. Tommy Ryan
13. Dick Tiger
14. Marcel Cerdan
15. Tiger Flowers
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I never really thought of Burley as a 147lber, I know he fought at as low as 145, but I do not know...

I think when I did my 147lbs list I was in my anti Burley phase. I once had Burley as high as #2 all time, but then I was lucky enough to see the Smith and I was decidedly underwhelmed...

But I need to recognize it was at the end of his career and that Burley is rated for his defence over everything else, which means he probably was not the most exciting fighter even in his prime.
Also Burley may have been carrying Smith in that fight - if he ever had a business fight then that was the one (and it makes it onto film!). Of course he was also outweighed by around 15lbs.

Burley WAS a natural welter. That's where he'd be most deadly all time head to head. With the title at stake? I wouldn't bet against him at that weight regardless of the opposition, though Hearns may be the wrong man.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:37 PM   #11
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1. Harry Grebb
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Mickey Walker

4. Jeff Clarke
5.
Stanley Ketchel
6. Carlos Monzon

7. Marvin Hagler
8. Ray Robinson
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Mike Gibbons

11. Charley Burley
12. Tommy Ryan
13. Dick Tiger
14. Marcel Cerdan
15. Tiger Flowers
More heavily weighted towards the past than your HW list...if I may:

Hopkins above Burley?

Clarke above Robinson, Monzon and Hagler?
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:45 PM   #12
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Clarke above Robinson, Monzon and Hagler?
Absolutely. Clark is one of the greatest pound for pound fighters that ever breathed.
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:48 PM   #13
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1. Monzon
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Hagler
5. Fitzsimmons
6. Burley
7. Ketchell
8. B-Hop
9. Jones jr

I can't think of a tenth that should be on the list, i'll get back to it, not to much knowledge on Clarke et al
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Absolutely. Clark is one of the greatest pound for pound fighters that ever breathed.

Very well - but do you see your man beating these guys head to head or do you think his achievments at MW are greater than the men mentioned?
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You gotta be kidding me. Fitz, Ketchell, Walker, and Clark over Monzon and Hagler? Over Robinson and Hopkins? Where do you come off saying that? I don't get that AT ALL.
Monzon Hagler and Robinson never really proved themselves above 160 lbs.

Fitz, Ketchel, Walker and Clark were all major players in the heavyweight divisions of their respective era's.

My criteria reward verry heavily for acomplishments at higher weights.
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