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Old 12-01-2011, 10:01 AM   #31
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Nonito's prediction will go to hell when Mayweather defends himself in a high guard stance instead of a philly shell. The 2nd point of the video is critical : if Pacquiao is able to counter Floyd's jab (or at least beat him to the punch) with his straight left, we have a fight.

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Old 12-01-2011, 10:05 AM   #32
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We all picked Pacquiao to beat them Arum stooges you ****ing flaming Pacquiao faggot.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:29 AM   #33
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First of all Floyd uses the high guard more against Southpaws than he does the philly shell. Second Manny will not be able to counter Floyd's jab bc it will be coming fast and sharp and Floyd will be out of range for Manny to counter it. Floyd will use the shoulder roll on the inside though bc the Southpaw advantage isn't there on the inside bc bth guys will be more squared up. Its funny that the video maker uses Judah as an example when Judah only won 3 rounds in a 12 round bout. Judah is a slick fighter who knew Floyd well. They grew up together and they have sparred as kids and adults for years before even meeting each other in that ring that night.

Manny will get dominated bc the things he doesn't do well is what will do him in against a fighter like Floyd. Manny couldn't even place his lead foot on the outside of Marquez's even though Roach told him over and over to do it. Manny knows one way to fight and if that way is not working he will continue to try and try.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:25 AM   #34
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I expected it to be a rubbish video, but there were actually some good points in there. I like how it included footage of Donaire examining the shoulder-roll...good stuff.

Some of the points were more dubious and too simplistic, and I still don't see Pac beating Mayweather, but the video raises some interesting issues for this fight. I don't think Pac will be able to counter Mayweather's jab like he did to Cotto and a few others, though -- Mayweather's jab is too quick and comes without warning.

Oh, for everyone saying that Mayweather will use the high guard against Pac -- I agree, but this isn't actually a good thing for Floyd. Mayweather has a great high guard, but in my opinion he's at his very best and most elusive when he's using his shoulder-roll. The high guard seems to limit visibility, mobility, and it also leaves you more open to body shots.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:40 AM   #35
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Saying that Manny can't counter Floyd's jab because the latter is too fast and sharp is just underestimating Pacquiao's timing ability. We are talking about one of the best offensive fighter at the moment and his hit/getting hit ratio speaks of his great sense of timing.
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Saying that Manny can't counter Floyd's jab because the latter is too fast and sharp is just underestimating Pacquiao's timing ability. We are talking about one of the best offensive fighter at the moment and his hit/getting hit ratio speaks of his great sense of timing.
I like Pac, he's a great offensive fighter. I'd just be surprised to see him consistently countering Floyd's jab with a straight left. Floyd doesn't telegraph his punches, so it's difficult to get a sense of when he's going to throw, and combined with his handspeed and timing, it makes it even more troublesome, even for someone like Pac.

He also doesn't even use the jab that much -- he's more reliant on his straight right. Personally, I think Pac will have more success countering with his right-hook. If he can find a way to use that right-hook to counter Mayweather's straight right, that would really help him in the fight. He also needs to go the body when Mayweather uses his high guard.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:17 PM   #37
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You asked for it....you got it. My prediction for Cotto and Marg was that Pac offense is much better than Cotto's Defense and Cotto will do his usual thing and gas out after round 6. And I thought Margarito is just too easy to hit. But those predictions are under a previous username (banned).

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what if you have another banned account predicting the opposite?

do you have breakdown analysis of pac-floyd, ill be interested to read it.

edit: do you acknowledged that the jmm that fought pac in part3 was gunshy compared to the prev 2? id like to make a video comparison, jst that my comp is very slow. gonna take forever to do.
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Old 12-01-2011, 02:32 PM   #38
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Good video, but a few points.
If Floyd's shoulder roll isn't working, he can switch to the high guard

Also Manny will not counter Floyd's jab all night long

Floyd won't jab to the body against southpaws. I know from experience that this isn't a good idea

Floyd accuracy and countering will scare off Pac, not his power

And that's ****ing retarded to say Floyd doesn't have the power to scare off Marquez. Juan fought like that because he studied the Castillo and Oscar fights
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If Marquez fought the way he did against Pac against Floyd, he would have still been shut out

Pacquiao won't control anything in the ring. He fought at Juan's pace and Floyd's a master at controlling pace and distance

Floyd has a weak offence? I hope you don't believe that.

And why are you using a 164 pound Ortiz to show Floyd has no power in his right hand

Floyd doesn't need to counter with combos because he doesn't need to throw 5 punches to land 1

Pac's offense is much weaker against mobile opponents

I'll add more when I'm finished watching
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:01 PM   #39
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what ever helps u sleep at night pactards
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:02 PM   #40
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Floyd doesn't need to counter with combos because he doesn't need to throw 5 punches to land 1
the aggressive combos keeps pac away which would lower pacs output similar to what happen with JMM

one punch counters wont really scare pac from attacking

the aggresive combos keeps pac from a distance,

if Floyd shells up that allows Pac to be more offensive

JMM never shelled up, he always counters aggresively to keep pac off

Pac do pretty well with guys who shell up on D, he knows how to sneak his punches in between the gloves, hes knocked out guys who had their gloves up and he would just land the straight left inbetween,

Floyd once he shells up will end up getting caught the same way
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:07 PM   #41
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the aggressive combos keeps pac away which would lower pacs output similar to what happen with JMM

one punch counters wont really scare pac from attacking

the aggresive combos keeps pac from a distance,

if Floyd shells up that allows Pac to be more offensive

JMM never shelled up, he always counters aggresively to keep pac off

Pac do pretty well with guys who shell up on D, he knows how to sneak his punches in between the gloves, hes knocked out guys who had their gloves up and he would just land the straight left inbetween,

Floyd once he shells up will end up getting caught the same way
Mosley was able to slow down his output without combos. He just made him miss over and over


If it doesn't scare Pac off, then he may get tkoed in this fight

no they don't

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I thought Marquez fought scared

well lets hope Floyd stays still in one spot with his hands up so Pac can do that

caught the same way? What way?
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:11 PM   #42
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the aggressive combos keeps pac away which would lower pacs output similar to what happen with JMM

one punch counters wont really scare pac from attacking

the aggresive combos keeps pac from a distance,

if Floyd shells up that allows Pac to be more offensive

JMM never shelled up, he always counters aggresively to keep pac off

Pac do pretty well with guys who shell up on D, he knows how to sneak his punches in between the gloves, hes knocked out guys who had their gloves up and he would just land the straight left inbetween,

Floyd once he shells up will end up getting caught the same way
this is why I've always thought Pac woudl giev him trouble. Floyd is not an 'active counter puncher' so to speak the way JMM is. He'll plant his feet, turtle up and kind of pick his spots rather then fight in a fluid rythm. You saw what happened with Joshua clottey. He was tagging Pacquiao but only with one punch at a time, and he'd turtle up when pacquiao attacked. Floyd sort of does the same thing but he uses a bit more footwork and upper body movement.



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Mosley was able to slow down his output without combos. He just made him miss over and over
He did that by using constant lateral movement, and switching angles (JMM formula). Floyd doesn't fight like that.

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no they don't

Yeah they do fool, do you know how JMM keeps Pac at bay? Half of it is lateral movement/distance, the other half is counter punching. JMM will constantly shift and move away from Pacquiao, wait for him to lunge in and then come back with his own punches. Floyd doesn't fight like that. Instead of maintaining distance, he likes to invite his opponent into the pocket. He plants his feet and goes behind a turtle shell basically. If you watch his fights with southpaws, he's actually leading most of the time, not countering.
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:12 PM   #43
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u guys act like floyd only uses the shoulder roll as if he cant adapt to high guard. and u guys seriously underrestimate floyds power
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caught the same way? What way?
when Floyd puts his guard up and hangs around the ropes, it would make it easy for Pac to sneak his straight left inbetween the gloves,

ive seen him KO someone who had their gloves up and he sneak his straight left in even when theyre guarding

Floyd would be in trouble if he fights like that, and allow pac to attack while on guard, he seems to do it a lot,

JMM is succesful at keeping pac at a distance cause he never had his guard up

If you look at Pac previous fights where his opponents put their guard up, they end up getting beat up

the only time a fighter is succesful against pac is when they counter aggresively, but Floyd doesnt really have that

If Floyd does not fight aggresively, he will lose
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Old 12-01-2011, 03:21 PM   #45
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Your own video discredited itself at the end....if this is how JMM fought and "won" against Pac, this is EXACTLY how Floyd is gonna beat Pac.
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