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Old 12-07-2011, 04:56 PM   #16
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Default Re: What would Cotto need to do to surpass Tito???

Realistically the situation is like this, tito trinidad is a hof boxer who is considered by many an atg, cotto is considered a hof boxer that wont reach atg status, but who knows?
To get there he needs to beat either pac/floyd at 147 or beat martinez at 160.
Another route that might put him in the same position as trinidad might be defend 154 belt a few times and win a legit belt at 160.
That is probably his best choice, fight and beat canelo, krikland, lara for example then beat a solid beltholder at 160 then he is up there imo.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:57 PM   #17
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It's so easy now a days to be a multiple division champion. So if Cotto moved up and picked up at title at 160 against someone of Foreman's calibre, I would not ne impressed.
Yeah I hear you...I was just talking about this the other day at work.....the days were unifying your weight class are long gone, there is just too many damn belts out there...so you just have to take it by opponent. So what if Cotto avenges his loss to Pac and then beats a number of good opponents...let say Canelo, Kirkland, and Martinez? would you say he is close? Because in all fairness to Cotto he is doing what Tito never did which is to try to avenge you losses and that has to count for whatever legacy a fighter leaves.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:57 PM   #18
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Damn JMP! If beat all those guys he would not only surpass Tito, he would be the best PR fighter ever!
Seriously, damn
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:59 PM   #19
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Yeah I hear you...I was just talking about this the other day at work.....the days were unifying your weight class are long gone, there is just too many damn belts out there...so you just have to take it by opponent. So what if Cotto avenges his loss to Pac and then beats a number of good opponents...let say Canelo, Kirkland, and Martinez? would you say he is close? Because in all fairness to Cotto he is doing what Tito never did which is to try to avenge you losses and that has to count for whatever legacy a fighter leaves.

If Cotto did that then hell yeah he would be higher than Tito.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:59 PM   #20
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good question. I think if he beat Martinez and then another pretty big win, maybe Alvarez, he would have a case.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:59 PM   #21
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Nah, even if he beat those guys, it wouldn't change the fact that Gomez, Ortiz, and Benitez were just better fighters. It's pointless arguing it really. Cotto's a good fighter, but he's not that good. He'll never be rated as high as Trinidad.
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Old 12-07-2011, 04:59 PM   #22
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If he beat Pac and Mayweather, he would easily surpass Tito.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:00 PM   #23
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I think Tito is about Margo's height
remember when people thought Margarito was as good or better than Tito?
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:08 PM   #24
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remember when people thought Margarito was as good or better than Tito?
What, who the hell thought that? Maybe better chin but that's where it ends.

I know there are plenty of delusional biased Mexicans but carajo man, i never even heard them dare say this.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:09 PM   #25
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remember when people thought Margarito was as good or better than Tito?
yup I remember that
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:38 PM   #26
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grow a few inches, look how ****ing tall tito looks
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:45 PM   #27
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I don't think he is too far behind Tito now. Cotto's resume is starting to look pretty decent. Another big win and he might be tied with Tito. That picture is surprising. I didn't know Tito was that much bigger. Shows you how small Cotto really is. Tito looks taller than Margarito.
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:46 PM   #28
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grow a few inches, look how ****ing tall tito looks
Tito looks 6.1 in this pic
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:53 PM   #29
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It's so easy now a days to be a multiple division champion. So if Cotto moved up and picked up at title at 160 against someone of Foreman's calibre, I would not ne impressed.
i agree with this

his best chance to have a prayer of passing Tito would be beating the p4p 1 or 2 or both but i just dont see it

or moving up and beating Sturm or Martinez

beating Canelo in a unification would be huge too or moving up and taking on Chavez but i dont see him beating Chavez

Tito had some great fighters like De La Hoya and Vargas and Whitaker and Camacho floating around at his time

not to mention he beat some good but not great fighters at probably their best stages of their careers

56-0 Campas, 32-0 Carr, Mayorga pretty good version, Reid and Joppy

1 loss in his prime and then came back and got embarrassed twice

Cotto has won 2 titles that were vacant and never successfully unified his belts

Trinidad did this twice
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Damn JMP! If beat all those guys he would not only surpass Tito, he would be the best PR fighter ever!
He'd be a top 20 ATG cleaning 1,2,3 P4P title holders in a span of 2 years.
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