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Old 07-04-2007, 07:02 PM   #31
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floyd doesnt even deserve to be mentioned alongside leonard

leonard is better than floyd in every department. mabe not defence.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:09 PM   #32
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Since 1977.....only Whitaker or Chavez could be considered better. Not Roy Jones, not Lennox Lewis, not Floyd Mayweather.

Not Duran because we're starting since 1977, not 1970.
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Old 07-04-2007, 07:11 PM   #33
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Floyd's career isn't over. If he racks up some big wins (Cotto would be the most important of anyone, including Mosley and Hatton), I would then be able to put him here. If he retires now, he's lower on the list than Leonard. If he beats Hatton and Cotto, you can surely put him there. I'll reserve judgment until his career ends.

Also, keep in mind that though Leonard fought the biggest names of his time, he also had losses. Floyd remains undefeated against the big names of his own era, though there are still some heads not on his resume. One point you would add to Leonard that Floyd does not have is his Olympic Gold Medal, if you put much merit into the amateur background. Essentially what I'm saying is that if Floyd retires now, he's below Leonard, if he racks up two to three more big wins, he is above Leonard.

As for who is possibly better from the last thirty years, I would consider Roy Jones, Roberto Duran, Bernard Hopkins, or Pernell Whitaker. To me, Hagler simply isn't there, as great as he was. Also, considering his longevity in the sport and his record, Hearns has a case.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:03 PM   #34
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A win over the best LW and top 5 p4p of all time. A win over a top 30p4p and top 3 WW of all time, a win over arguably the best MW of all time + a whole lot of other big names. No contest, only Duran can compare but if his accomplishments pre-30yrs dont count, the answer to thread is nobody.

P4P SRL KO's RJJ. SRL had the power and speed to catch RJJ.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:24 PM   #35
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You have to be kidding. Explain what makes PBFs P4P legacy greater than Leonard.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:25 PM   #36
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He was a GREAT fighter.
That doesnt cut it.

This isnt the who else has been a great fighter in addition to SRL thread.

Pryor was great, but again, his competition doesnt match up to SRL.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:32 PM   #37
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Hagler was the better man - just not when they met - Thats my view, but SRL was definately a mayor roleplayer.

1. Hagler
2. SRL
3. Whitaker.
4. Hearns.
5. Aaron Pryor.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:34 PM   #38
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I have Duran and Hearns ahead also Whitaker has a good case but thats it.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:35 PM   #39
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Floyd can't do anything atthis point to ever surpass Leonard. For one thing, we always have to compare currents to the best of all-time. Do we compare Floyd to Wilfredo Benitez? No. We compare him to Sugar Ray Leonard, a man who fought in the best welter/middleweight era and has attained legendary status.

The comparison is unfair. Floyd was not born in such an era, and in fifty years when people look back, Floyd will be remembered as an awesome talent that won titles in multiple weight divisions, but Leonard will still be legendary for the drama, rivalries, and several of the best fights of all-time in that specific era.

Adding to that, no, I don't think Floyd stacks up to Leonard, and I firmly believe Leonard would have won head-to-head. Floyd has the tools to beat him, but mentally, Ray is very much tougher.
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Old 07-04-2007, 08:53 PM   #40
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Floyd's career isn't over. If he racks up some big wins (Cotto would be the most important of anyone, including Mosley and Hatton), I would then be able to put him here. If he retires now, he's lower on the list than Leonard. If he beats Hatton and Cotto, you can surely put him there. I'll reserve judgment until his career ends.

Also, keep in mind that though Leonard fought the biggest names of his time, he also had losses. Floyd remains undefeated against the big names of his own era, though there are still some heads not on his resume. One point you would add to Leonard that Floyd does not have is his Olympic Gold Medal, if you put much merit into the amateur background. Essentially what I'm saying is that if Floyd retires now, he's below Leonard, if he racks up two to three more big wins, he is above Leonard.

As for who is possibly better from the last thirty years, I would consider Roy Jones, Roberto Duran, Bernard Hopkins, or Pernell Whitaker. To me, Hagler simply isn't there, as great as he was. Also, considering his longevity in the sport and his record, Hearns has a case.
Wins over Cotto, Hatton and an aging Mosley does not compare with wins over Hearns nor Hagler. There is nothing Mayweather can do apart from unifying all the titles or beating someone convincing likely Wright or Hopkins. Head to head, Leonard would KO Mayweather.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:52 PM   #41
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Yes Hagler was a great fighter, but his accomplishments cant hold a candle to those of Leonards. All the Hagler fans rave about him beating Mugabi...if Leonard beat Mugabi it wouldnt even rank over his win over Ayub Kalule....Kalule was a good titlist and would barely rank as one of his ten best wins.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:54 PM   #42
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Roberto Duran.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:55 PM   #43
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Considering Duran's lightweight days were over 30 years ago, Whitaker has the best case with titles at 135, 140, 147, and 154. However, his wins over Azumah Nelson, Jose Luis Ramirez, Julio Cesar Vasquez, Buddy McGirt, and Jorge Paez (should have had a win over Chavez) fall short of Leonard's dramatic wins over Hagler and Hearns and his two other greatest wins over Duran and Benitez. But Whitaker's longevity, length as a champion, and more wins over high quality opponents make a case very presentable.
Duran was still a lightweight in 1977.

Duran in the rubber match against Dejesus was the best he looked during his lightweight reign, IMO.
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:57 PM   #44
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none. Can anybody say that they have beat Benitez, Duran, Hagler and Hearns. But it will be funny for somebody to make a case for somebody else.
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:15 PM   #45
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None IMO.

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