Is Joseph Calzaghe the Greatest European Boxer of All Time?

[Axe]

Not even the best boxer from Wales.

[Boro chris]

Nope. From mainland Europe there's Duillo Loi,Cerdan,Carpentier,Benvenuti.
From the UK there's-Ted Kid Lewis, Wilde, Berg,Lennox Lewis,Lynch and Fitz(though the kiwi's could claim him). Many of them are considered at least equal and some of them clearly better.

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by Ramon Rojo

Carpentier is not even the best of France.

France has had a few excellent/brilliant fighters, but I still say Carpentier leads the pack, although that statement is rightly up for debate.

[Momus]

There might be a place for him at the lower end of the top 10. Very debatable though.

[Ren]

Without a doubt, one of Britains all tmie best. But tbf, Joe is rated so high partially because he made sure he remained unbeaten, but underated also because he was protected.

If he had taken on allcomers like Lewis he would have lost 2 or 3 fights, thats for sure, but would he have been then so well regarded? One things for sure, he wouldnt be so debated - we'd have a firmer idea of his legacy. Maybe his avoidance of losing his unbeaten record actually did him more harm than good?

[Cafe]

Originally Posted by captain hook

what is britain then? africa?

Geographically yes, but British people like to detach themselves from the rest of Europe. Tbh I see it the same way and find it a bit ridiculous.

[Joe_MacKenzie]

The greatest European boxer of all time might be Lazlo Papp.

His wiki:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laszlo_Papp[/ame]


There's an old man who posts on another site who travelled around the world watching/managing/promoting boxing for many years, and he says Papp was the best he's ever seen.

[Malden]

Originally Posted by Joe_MacKenzie

The greatest European boxer of all time might be Lazlo Papp.

His wiki:

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There's an old man who posts on another site who travelled around the world watching/managing/promoting boxing for many years, and he says Papp was the best he's ever seen.

Not a bad guess either. I always felt sorry for him that he got stopped from making a go at the World Championship

Did seem past it against Chris Christensen though, but he found a way to win:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX4BWrlkDZs[/ame]


Seems like the K.O got cut out

[Bummy Davis]

you would have to mention him as one of the best, Nino Benvenuti, Marcel Cerdan,Kid Lewis,Bruno Arcari, Lennox is Canadian/Jamaican but even if you throw him in and others Calzage has to be top 5 but at least top 10....I have him top 5

[Ren]

hes top 2 or 3 from wales, and definitely top ten british but top ten Euro, not really. he comes close but there were too many genuine fighters from EUrope who dominated rather than cherry picking the most obscure version of his title and weak opponents for ten years like Cal did.

[Laughing Bruno]

heh heh heh

[Threetime no1]

No.

The greatest euro would come from Wilde, Lewis or Lewis. Take your pick.

[Threetime no1]

Originally Posted by Laughing Bruno

heh heh heh

Nice one Frank.

[knockout artist]

1. Lennox Lewis.


After this it's up for debate

[Boxed Ears]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

1. Lennox Lewis.


After this it's up for debate

No, believe me, it's quite up for debate before that, as well.