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View Poll Results: How do you rate today's HW division fighters H2H with past Heavies?
As good or better than it ever was 31 15.98%
Good, but not the best 28 14.43%
About average 37 19.07%
Poor 61 31.44%
Abysmal 37 19.07%
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:55 AM   #151
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Godammit why do Klitschko (or HW) threads always go on to become a race war?

call it like it is, the only racism or racialized sentiment is coming from the clowns who have nothing else of which to resort, joe mackenzie, nosbor and bubby. the thing is, those statements are a last ditch effort to save face and "one up" me, which is beyond pathetic considering it's three of them and one of me, but sort of expected from pure idiots.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:20 PM   #152
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call it like it is, the only racism or racialized sentiment is coming from the clowns who have nothing else of which to resort, joe mackenzie, nosbor and bubby. the thing is, those statements are a last ditch effort to save face and "one up" me, which is beyond pathetic considering it's three of them and one of me, but sort of expected from pure idiots.
least we forget! Location: Harlem^
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I will never get tired of that!
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:17 AM   #154
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I will never get tired of that!
Still pumping iron and fantasizing about committing hate crimes? How's the lettuce growing community treating you these days mr. Nosbor Ibragimov?
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:22 PM   #155
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Let's start proving how good or bad todays division is...

Ring magazine's top ten of 2012:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko, 35yo, 6'6", 243lbs, 81"reach, 56-3-0 record,
RING/IBF/WBO/IBO/WBA champion,

#1 Vitali Klitschko, 40yo, 6'7", 250lbs, 82"reach, 44-2-0 record,
WBC champion, never knocked down, never behind in a fight.

#2 Alexand Povetkin, 32yo, 6'2", 225lbs, 76"reach, 23-0-0 record,
has beaten two other fighters in the top ten.

#3 Tomasz Adamek, 35yo, 6'2" 216lbs, 76"reach, 44-2-0 record,
has beaten no other top ten fighters, former LHW/Cruiser champion.

#4 Eddie Chambers, 30yo, 6'1", 210lbs, 76"reach, 36-2-0 record,
only lost to two other top ten fighters.

#5 Alexander Dimitrernko, 29yo, 6'7", 255lbs, 83"reach, 32-1-0 record,
only lost to #4.

#6 Robert Helenius, 28yo, 6'6", 240lbs, 80"reach, 17-0-0 record,

#7 Denis Boytsov, 26yo, 6'1", 215lbs, 30-0-0 record,

#8 Rusland Chagaev, 33yo, 6'0", 225lbs, 74"reach, 28-2-1 record,
former champion, only lost to other top ten fighters.

#9 Chris Arreola, 30yo, 6'4", 245lbs, 77"reach, 35-2-0 record,
only lost to other top ten fighters.

#10 Kubrat Pulev, 30yo, 6'5", 250lbs, 15-0-0.

Now we can compare this top ten with past top ten's and see how good it actually is..
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:30 PM   #156
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i have only been watching pro boxing since about 2007, and the heavyweight division has never been the "it" division to watch in that time. 147 was really hot a few years ago, 168 is great right now, 140 is good, bantam weight is good. Heavyweight is just OK, Huck vs Povetkin is a good fight though.

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Old 02-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #157
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Let's start proving how good or bad todays division is...

Ring magazine's top ten of 2012:

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko, 35yo, 6'6", 243lbs, 81"reach, 56-3-0 record,
RING/IBF/WBO/IBO/WBA champion,

#1 Vitali Klitschko, 40yo, 6'7", 250lbs, 82"reach, 44-2-0 record,
WBC champion, never knocked down, never behind in a fight.

#2 Alexand Povetkin, 32yo, 6'2", 225lbs, 76"reach, 23-0-0 record,
has beaten two other fighters in the top ten.

#3 Tomasz Adamek, 35yo, 6'2" 216lbs, 76"reach, 44-2-0 record,
has beaten no other top ten fighters, former LHW/Cruiser champion.

#4 Eddie Chambers, 30yo, 6'1", 210lbs, 76"reach, 36-2-0 record,
only lost to two other top ten fighters.

#5 Alexander Dimitrernko, 29yo, 6'7", 255lbs, 83"reach, 32-1-0 record,
only lost to #4.

#6 Robert Helenius, 28yo, 6'6", 240lbs, 80"reach, 17-0-0 record,

#7 Denis Boytsov, 26yo, 6'1", 215lbs, 30-0-0 record,

#8 Rusland Chagaev, 33yo, 6'0", 225lbs, 74"reach, 28-2-1 record,
former champion, only lost to other top ten fighters.

#9 Chris Arreola, 30yo, 6'4", 245lbs, 77"reach, 35-2-0 record,
only lost to other top ten fighters.

#10 Kubrat Pulev, 30yo, 6'5", 250lbs, 15-0-0.

Now we can compare this top ten with past top ten's and see how good it actually is..
Now, if we compare todays division with the Ring magazine's top ten from 1960, it looks like this.

Champion: Floyd Patterson, 25yo, 6'0" 188lbs, 71'reach, 37-2-0 record,
Patterson in todays division he would be by far the smallest contender with also the shortest reach. H2H vs #1 Wladimir Klitschko Patterson would be at an extreme disadvanage, 6'0" vs 6'6", 188lbs vs 242lbs, 71" vs 81"reach.

#1 Sonny Listion, 29yo??, 6'0", 214lbs, 85"reach,(doubthful), 30-1-0 record. Liston was mob backed so not knowing how many of his fights may have been fixed makes it hard to say how he would do today.

#2 Ingemar Johansson, 29yo, 6'1", 195lbs, 72"reach, 21-2-0 record.
Semi-retired, being at the end of his career he wouldn't be a problem in todays division.

#3 Eddie Machen, 29yo, 6'0", 190lbs, 74"reach, 35-3-1 record.
Would have trouble getting though the big men ranked from 12 to 20, but could make a small dent today, but probably not.

#4 Zora Folley, 30yo, 6'1", 220lbs, 34-3-1 record.
Could do ok today, but not likely. Too small, weak chin and probably older than 30.

#5 Henry Cooper, 26yo, 6'0", 185lbs, 21-7-1 record.
Cooper starts the division's fall off a cliff. semi-bum, lost to many poor fighters.

#6 Mike DeJohn, 29yo, 6'2", 205lbs, 42-7-1 record.
DeJohn lost to many poor opponents. no chance vs todays division.

#7 Bob Cleroux, 6'1", 210lbs, 28-2-1 record.
Club fighter only, never beat any good fighters.

#8 Alex Miteff, 25yo, 6'1", 202lbs, 23-7-1 record.
Another poor clib fighter who never beat any top fighters.

#9 Dick Richardson, 26yo, 6'1" 200lbs, 29-11-2 record.
His record says it all...............................^

#10 Joe Erskine, 26yo, 5'11" 190lbs, 35-4-1 record
Lost to any good fighter..

So today's division is clearly ahead of 1960...
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:24 AM   #158
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Now, if we compare todays division with the Ring magazine's top ten from 1960, it looks like this.

Champion: Floyd Patterson, 25yo, 6'0" 188lbs, 71'reach, 37-2-0 record,
Patterson in todays division he would be by far the smallest contender with also the shortest reach. H2H vs #1 Wladimir Klitschko Patterson would be at an extreme disadvanage, 6'0" vs 6'6", 188lbs vs 242lbs, 71" vs 81"reach.

#1 Sonny Listion, 29yo??, 6'0", 214lbs, 85"reach,(doubthful), 30-1-0 record. Liston was mob backed so not knowing how many of his fights may have been fixed makes it hard to say how he would do today.

#2 Ingemar Johansson, 29yo, 6'1", 195lbs, 72"reach, 21-2-0 record.
Semi-retired, being at the end of his career he wouldn't be a problem in todays division.

#3 Eddie Machen, 29yo, 6'0", 190lbs, 74"reach, 35-3-1 record.
Would have trouble getting though the big men ranked from 12 to 20, but could make a small dent today, but probably not.

#4 Zora Folley, 30yo, 6'1", 220lbs, 34-3-1 record.
Could do ok today, but not likely. Too small, weak chin and probably older than 30.

#5 Henry Cooper, 26yo, 6'0", 185lbs, 21-7-1 record.
Cooper starts the division's fall off a cliff. semi-bum, lost to many poor fighters.

#6 Mike DeJohn, 29yo, 6'2", 205lbs, 42-7-1 record.
DeJohn lost to many poor opponents. no chance vs todays division.

#7 Bob Cleroux, 6'1", 210lbs, 28-2-1 record.
Club fighter only, never beat any good fighters.

#8 Alex Miteff, 25yo, 6'1", 202lbs, 23-7-1 record.
Another poor clib fighter who never beat any top fighters.

#9 Dick Richardson, 26yo, 6'1" 200lbs, 29-11-2 record.
His record says it all...............................^

#10 Joe Erskine, 26yo, 5'11" 190lbs, 35-4-1 record
Lost to any good fighter..

So today's division is clearly ahead of 1960...
The 70's/90's are considered the strongest HW eras. Try that comparison
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The 70's/90's are considered the strongest HW eras. Try that comparison
Soon, very soon. If you didn't know, haters are calling todays division the worst. I just showed its better than 1960.
I will be getting around to other eras soon...
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:14 AM   #160
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Soon, very soon. If you didn't know, haters are calling todays division the worst. I just showed its better than 1960.
I will be getting around to other eras soon...
oh. thats great!

I bet your unbiased, thoughtful and extensive analysis will convince everyone here that the K bros are the best fighters of all time!
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:26 AM   #161
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oh. thats great!

I bet your unbiased, thoughtful and extensive analysis will convince everyone here that the K bros are the best fighters of all time!
Do you find something wrong with my post?
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Do you find something wrong with my post?
oh not at all bubby. absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact your whole posting history is probably a treasure chest filled with grand boxing knowledge.

I'm 100% convinced you will present great evidence for why the current era of boxing is the best on yet.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:39 PM   #163
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oh not at all bubby. absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact your whole posting history is probably a treasure chest filled with grand boxing knowledge.

I'm 100% convinced you will present great evidence for why the current era of boxing is the best on yet.
Thank you..
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Thank you..
You are very welcome bubby.

I am expecting a very comprehensive and unbiased analysis.

You got everyone used to posts of such high quality, I think everyone will expect nothing short of absolute excellence from you.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:18 PM   #165
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The heavyweight division is in a good state at the moment. Don't listen to people who say other wise as they either are 1. just casual fans who dont have a clue, 2. are racist non- europeans who can't accept the european dominance, 3. are people who are stuck living in the past looking back and can't accept change.
The division is quality, you have the Klitschko brothers who are all time greats, and there dominance has stopped their being poor champions like fat Eddie chambers (lol!). They really are special fighters.
Then you have top quality guys like Povetkin and Haye. then there is many, many quality fighters such as Pulev, Price, Fury, Glazkov, Boystov, Adamek, Huck, Chisora, Szpilla, Gerber,etc,etc.
Let me ask you this; do you consider Vitali to be the the greatest HW boxer of all time?
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