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Old 12-31-2011, 10:13 AM   #31
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i never listen to Joe Rogan - I value my sanity and listening to that twat Mike Goldberg puts my TV in danger.
'His precision is, uh, very precise'

'Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Forrest Griffin'



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Old 12-31-2011, 10:15 AM   #32
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:18 AM   #33
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:19 AM   #34
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I don't mind Goldy, he seems like a nice enough guy but he's clueless when it comes to commentating fight sports.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:24 AM   #35
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Nah. Brock should've built on his strengths, not got rid of them. Being a 265lbs man needn't have been a drawback, if he'd fought each fight as a wrestler first and foremost, but supplemented this by working hard at his stand-up with the best coaches available. If he'd cut to 230-240, he'd have lost the only thing which set him apart from the rest. To be a 230-240lbs hw and have success nowadays, you need to have special abilities. Frank Mir has learned this. Brock could never have had the abilities of a Fedor or a Cigano, no matter how hard he'd worked. He should've supplemented his physical strengths, rather than stagnate in the way he did.

I agree that had Brock done as you say he would have had more success.

But Brock wants to be 265 and being 265 was a drawback to his wrestling and his striking. Brock stopped showing balance and recovery a long time ago - two key ingredients for success against a well pedigreed HW striker.

That thing that sets him apart from the rest, size, was no use against someone close or as big who has worked their leg sharpness.


Getting quality work for a 265 pound man is a major job - we have a number of 220 HW's but only had one at 260 plus. It is a nightmare if they are not prepared to challenge themselves as they get more complacent with their size. You can't get them to work properly with 220 pound guys either.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:25 AM   #36
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I agree that had Brock done as you say he would have had more success.

But Brock wants to be 265 and being 265 was a drawback to his wrestling and his striking. Brock stopped showing balance and recovery a long time ago - two key ingredients for success against a well pedigreed HW striker.

That thing that sets him apart from the rest, size, was no use against someone close or as big who has worked their leg sharpness.


Getting quality work for a 265 pound man is a major job - we have a number of 220 HW's but only had one at 260 plus. It is a nightmare if they are not prepared to challenge themselves as they get more complacent with their size. You can't get them to work properly with 220 pound guys either.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:29 AM   #37
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i tell you what I laugh when I hear Pat Barry is his striking partner. Is he still? Pat is honest but lets call it as it is - he is zero challenge in the gym for Brock. If Brock put his ego aside and worked with a striking team for a year things would look different. But he wont.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:35 AM   #38
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Goldberg is only rivalled in the stupidity stakes by Brian Kilmeades "Judu" and "Sumu"calls.

You have to go way back to reach those levels of MMA insight.

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Old 12-31-2011, 10:37 AM   #39
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Goldberg is only rivalled in the stupidity stakes by Brian Kilburn's "Judu" and "Sumu"calls.

You have to go way back to reach those levels of MMA insight.
I don't even know who Brian Kilburn is

The worst commentator has to be Pierre Guillet, I think thats his name, He's the idiot from BAMMA.
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Old 12-31-2011, 10:52 AM   #40
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I don't even know who Brian Kilburn is

The worst commentator has to be Pierre Guillet, I think thats his name, He's the idiot from BAMMA.
Sorry its Brian Kilmeade not Kilburn.

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Old 12-31-2011, 11:36 AM   #41
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his biggest weapons are his size and strength, combined with his wrestling which worked with against who he was matched up against early on. since he came along with no fighting experience, they concentrated on utilizing and making his assets work for him as opposed to working on his weak areas. the margin of error was very low to begin with. when he fought someone that could neutralize it, he was left with his skill set which was not much when comparing to his opposition

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i tell you what I laugh when I hear Pat Barry is his striking partner. Is he still? Pat is honest but lets call it as it is - he is zero challenge in the gym for Brock. If Brock put his ego aside and worked with a striking team for a year things would look different. But he wont.
And sparring with a 5'10 Barry doesn't help against a 6'5 263 Overeem.
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:49 PM   #43
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I still find it strange. I can understand Brock being a fish out of water when he first walked into an MMA gym and first sparred etc, but 5 years of doing this stuff day in day out and 5 years of working with MMA people on his mental preparation etc, I just think it's ****ing bizarre that he was still clueless in a stand-up fight after all of that. You could basically take anyone/anything, and after 5 years of intense, top quality training, they would be vastly superior to how they were when they started. IMO, Brock wasn't. You are right, his mentality must have had a lot to do with it. Perhaps he improved in the gym, but when faced with a real opponent he just crumbled, forgot, and turtled, like we have seen in his last 3 fights.
But he lost to a guy who is like 5 times as experienced as he was. Considering Brock's experience, the guy did exceptionally well in his short MMA career. Overeem has had like what, 69 fights? He beat a guy with 5 fights. Granted, Brock managed to win the title and defend it, but he was still vastly inexperienced. He was getting by on marginal skills, immense size and strength, and heart.
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The answer is simple: he fought only 8 fights. Brock would probably beat any other fighter with 8 pro fights but he fought in the UFC against guys who have been fighting for 15-20 years. And tonight was the first time he threw leg kicks (its just a bad idea to stand with Overeem), Im sure his striking has imroved Overeem is just the wrong guy to show how much your striking has improved
Give Brock the same experience and seasoning as Overeem, and I'm sure the fight would have played out differently. Should Overeem get much credit for beating Brock, a guy who has had a handful of fights?
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:53 PM   #45
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Cuz he relied on his wrestling too much. He reminds me of fighters like mark coleman and royce gracie who just wanted to master one form of martial arts.
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