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Old 01-01-2012, 01:20 PM   #61
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Hard to develop when you are scared to get hit in the face. Lesnar is not and was never a legit fighter. He was a sideshow/hypejob by Dana White.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:21 PM   #62
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You obviously havent heard of Fedor doing more striking work with the best strikers that Holland can offer. You also havent seen how Fedor has become more composed, actually comes in with a gameplan, and how his kicks and punches have changed in a very short timeframe.

People like Fedor are fighters with a fighter mind and fighter mentality and pain resistance. Brock is a CAN hyped up by zuffa, he was never a true fighter, the hasnt changed and developed, and is even scared to get hit.
I wonder if Brock would have been able to beat Ishii?
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:25 PM   #63
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Hard to develop when you are scared to get hit in the face. Lesnar is not and was never a legit fighter. He was a sideshow/hypejob by Dana White.
Your right , wins over Carwin,Mir,Couture,Herring don't mean anything....the guy never even had 10 pro fights and still accomplished this.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:35 PM   #64
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I wonder if Brock would have been able to beat Ishii?
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:55 PM   #65
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I'm sure he has done some developing. Look at how he was hitting the bag way back when. It's around the 43 second mark.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTczMKtmvdQ[/ame]

I think the main reason his development wasn't so obvious was the gap in experience from his 2nd fight on. The only reason he was able to compete at that level is because of his size and athleticism.

I also believe he wasn't getting hit in camp, and this slowed his development from a striking stand point. You have to remember, he still defeated Carwin despite this; so he may not have even concentrated on this until after the Velasquez fight. I have no doubt he was doing legit sparring for this last bout. He was obviously nervous against Overeem, but he kept his composure a lot better than he would have a year ago. Brock took some hard shots, and didn't turtle up until after the liver kick.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:59 PM   #66
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Lesnar was a legitimate fighter, as demonstrated by beating other legitimate fighters. Sure, he couldn't take much of a punch, but he worked around that problem in several of his matches because he was: (1) extremely big and strong, and (2) a pretty good wrestler.

He didn't deserve a lot of the hype that surrounded him, but many far more experienced fighters found him hard to beat. Yes, he failed some imaginary pound-for-pound "well-roundedness" standard. In real life, though, he beat a lot of good fighters put in front of him.

In any case, he's done now.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:05 AM   #67
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Hard to teach an old dog new tricks
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:06 AM   #68
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Your right , wins over Carwin,Mir,Couture,Herring don't mean anything....the guy never even had 10 pro fights and still accomplished this.
Fedor DESTROYED a prime Herring inside of a round.... I like the way an over the hill Herring matters now because it fits your agenda...
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:09 AM   #69
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Fedor DESTROYED a prime Herring inside of a round.... I like the way an over the hill Herring matters now because it fits your agenda...
just inside a 10 min round while Brock beat him post to pillar for 15 mins....and of course Herring was way over the hill...once a pride fighter hits late 20's it's basically over for them.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:16 AM   #70
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just inside a 10 min round while Brock beat him post to pillar for 15 mins....and of course Herring was way over the hill...once a pride fighter hits late 20's it's basically over for them.
Absolutely he was over the hill. Where's Heath now? Thats right retired.
Fedor pulverised Herring in a round in what wasnt even a close fight when Herring was ranked in the TOP 5 in the world at the time. Mean while your gushing with praise over Brocks win over a guy that was at the end of his career. Stunning logic!
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:23 AM   #71
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Cause he was thrown straight into the deep end. Brock was nothing more than a money maker for Dana. Brock never developed into a 'fighter'. He jumped straight into the UFC facing world class opposition with no experience of actual fighting, Brock was never molded into a real fighter from the start. And yes time wasn't on his side so maybe he had no choice to step up to the plate straight off the bat.

Personally, I think Brock done alright considering his background. From WWE champion to UFC champion is a great achievement.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:29 AM   #72
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Cause he was thrown straight into the deep end. Brock was nothing more than a money maker for Dana. Brock never developed into a 'fighter'. He jumped straight into the UFC facing world class opposition with no experience of actual fighting, Brock was never molded into a real fighter from the start. And yes time wasn't on his side so maybe he had no choice to step up to the plate straight off the bat.

Personally, I think Brock done alright considering his background. From WWE champion to UFC champion is a great achievement.
There's been plenty of Pro Wrestling champions in MMA LONG before Brock came on the scene. Their credentials as Pro Wrestlers in MMA mean nothing. Dam shame we're never going to get to see Mir Brock the rubber match.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:35 AM   #73
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Fedor DESTROYED a prime Herring inside of a round.... I like the way an over the hill Herring matters now because it fits your agenda...
He did just beat Kongo who was coming off of the Cro Cop win.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:44 AM   #74
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He did just beat Kongo who was coming off of the Cro Cop win.
Kongo dude..... Kongo....
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:52 AM   #75
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brock did very well for what he showed in the ring. like it or not, if you study the champions in fighting sports, a lot of them have one thing in common: serious physical advantages over their opponents. from freaky strength to speed to an incredible ability to dish out punishment/recieve it, they are different from the other fighters, and it's hard to find very many champion combat sport athletes who are very average in everything.

brock had the size and strength to overwhelm several very good fighters, but his achilles was his ability to get hit. once that started to happen, he lost.

he is in the history books, mma will not go away and he'll always have a place as champion.
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