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Old 01-01-2012, 11:28 AM   #16
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Never understood how a sport based on extreme violence can have such crybaby ass fans
It isn't based on extreme violence anymore than football is.

Atleast fighters don't mindlessly run into eachother each play like they do in football games.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:46 AM   #17
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That's the way it has to be done otherwise the other fighter can slip out. Fighters need to tap when they see it coming.
Ultimately yes. Frank can't be penalised for having such a strong contraction when he locks on a sub. Someone like Nog simply has to tap.

In the UFC, if Frank was doing it to bums off the street then you'd have to argue against it but these guys know about jits and they know if they don't tap in time what oculd happen.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:08 PM   #18
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Default Re: If Frank Mir breaks someone's arm for the 3rd time, should he be sanctioned?

There are some holds that produce little more than pain, but most submissions result in serious injury and/or unconsciousness. If you don't tap to a choke, you go to sleep. If you don't tap to an arm bar, you risk a break or dislocation. Etc...Etc...

Respect the submission.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:29 PM   #19
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Its tap, snap, or nap with Frank Mir... No secret. If you get your arm broken or choked out (i.e. Kongo) then its your own ****ing fault...
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:40 PM   #20
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**** the mainstream!

It will be a tragedy if MMA has to be watered down to appeal to these sissy's.

Who cares about the sport getting bigger and getting more fans if they can't handle the sport the way it is now?
It's already been watered down....Remember McCaiins spat with the UFC back in the day when the Fertitta's just got on board... The UFC is barely MMA any more much less for reaching out to its Vale Tudo roots. You ask me shits is Pancrase with closed fists. Hybrid submission 'wrastling'
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:58 PM   #21
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PRIDE rules was catered to the fight fan..if only they had allowed elbows on the ground.
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:00 PM   #22
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PRIDE rules was catered to the fight fan..if only they had allowed elbows on the ground.
PRIDE never allowed elbows on the mat because they caused cuts and could stop a fight prematurely.
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:02 PM   #23
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People should tap. Bottom line. If Nog had tapped he wouldn't have had a broken arm and he could have tapped.
Exactly, If they don't want there arm broken then tap. Thats the nature of the sport.
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:08 PM   #24
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PRIDE never allowed elbows on the mat because they caused cuts and could stop a fight prematurely.
It would've been great to see someone like Fedor, Shogun, Wandy, hell even Rampage be able to utilize elbows.
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:10 PM   #25
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It would've been great to see someone like Fedor, Shogun, Wandy, hell even Rampage be able to utilize elbows.
Can you imagine the carnage? *shudder*
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:26 PM   #26
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**hmmm, I'm tired of elbowing your skull, I think now I'll soccer kick you into a coma.**
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:32 PM   #27
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How absurd

Maybe his opponents should know when to ****ing tap....
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Old 01-01-2012, 05:04 PM   #28
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That ****ing avatar freaks me out....
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Old 01-01-2012, 05:30 PM   #29
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tap, snap or nap
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:15 PM   #30
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Default Re: If Frank Mir breaks someone's arm for the 3rd time, should he be sanctioned?

Clearly you can't have MMA without having BJJ, and BJJ carries the risk of breaking someone's arm. Ugly shit can happen in a fight. That's fighting.

But Frank Mir is a repeat offender. And with the circumstances of the Nog rematch, Mir's anger at the disrespect Nog showed by excuse-making after their first fight and Mir's words and attitude after doing it, you can't tell me that Mir didn't break that arm deliberately to make a point.

There are a ton of BJJ specialists out there, there are usually a couple of fights on every card that end by submission, but an ugly break is a rarity. Most BJJ guys in the UFC have gone their entire pro careers without ever snapping someone's forearm.

So if Mir breaks a 3rd arm, that's not a co-incidence.

And if a guy REPEATEDLY snaps people's arms on live TV, that's a problem. Because that sort of shit drives viewers away. And if it happens 3x with one fighter, it pretty much indicates that that fighter is a sadist who gets off on snapping people's arms. That's a problem just like a fighter who repeatedly attacks a clearly KOed opponent Hendo-Bisping style is a problem.

And for the record, half of you assholes can't even read.

I didn't come out and take a firm stand anywhere. I asked a question. And I outlined both sides of the argument in the opening post.

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