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Old 05-16-2013, 01:12 PM   #1
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Default How Well Must a Fighter Perform to Get Credit for a Loss?

You know I don't subscribe to the liberal mindset of let's automatically give a fighter's resume points simply because he took the fight.

For example as a Hatton fan I don't bring up the pacquiao fight because he brutally got his ass kicked that night.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:38 PM   #2
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I think if you move up in weight and you hold your own and guy you're fighting isn't completely out his prime, you get some props. Duran verses Hagler comes to mind as does Greb verses Tunny and Conn verses Louis.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:44 PM   #3
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I'll give you an example.

When Michael Farenas fought Gamboa, he tried to win and even knockdown Gamboa and eventhough he lost that fight, his stock rises up and gets credit.



Now for someone who does not get credit, Mercito Gesta against the 135 Mexican champion. Gesta didn't do shiit at all and just a straight up useless turn and gets no credit for losing and his stock went all the way down if he even had a stock to begin with.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:45 PM   #4
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Better than expected.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:48 PM   #5
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Trout vs Alvarez, Cotto vs Mayweather, Linares vs DeMarco
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:52 PM   #6
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Default Re: How Well Must a Fighter Perform to Get Credit for a Loss?

That's so difficult to set a blanket standard for. Bert Cooper put in a hell of a performance against Holyfield, much better than expected. But he still got stopped. He earned a world of respect, but still proved he's not championship level.

I'd say if a guy exceeds expectations due to his own efforts, his stock can rise. But if he exceeds expectations because the favorite has an off night, then no rise. It's often difficult to tell which is the case, though.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:56 PM   #7
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Really depends.

Chisora got a lot of credit for winning 2 rounds against a 40 year old injured Vitali. While Guerrero got none for winning 3 against 36 year old Floyd.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:20 PM   #8
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Vitali vs Lewis
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:24 PM   #9
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I think it depends what u expect out of the fighter. I've heard a few times from people that Mosley deserves a lot of credit for his fight with Canelo and wasn't competitive one bit. A 40 year old man taking power punches from a man half his age and not giving up and running like pacquiao fight but coming to fight
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:17 PM   #10
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Depends on where the loser and winner are at that points of their career.

Example: Zab gets more credit for winning a few rounds off of an '06 WW Mayweather than Cotto does for winning a few rounds off of a '12 JMW Mayweather.

Also depends on the competitiveness of the fight itself.

Example: Corley and Augustus both were more competitive in defeat than JMM was to Mayweather, therefore they'd get more credit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:19 PM   #11
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I think if you move up in weight and you hold your own and guy you're fighting isn't completely out his prime, you get some props. Duran verses Hagler comes to mind as does Greb verses Tunny and Conn verses Louis.
Good examples.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:24 PM   #12
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:48 PM   #13
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If robberies count...

Lara vs Williams rose Lara's stock up.

Abril vs Rios rose Abril's stock up.

Murray vs Martinez rose Murray's stock up [Not really a robbery, but a close fight that I thought should have gone to Murray].

Marquez-Pacquiao III - Rose Marquez's stock up at 147 - Before that, he was seen as ineffective at that weight. The 4th fight further proved he's a legit top 3 WW.

Malignaggi-Diaz I

Non robberies:

Malignaggi-Cotto - Showed Malignaggi had a lot of heart, strong chin, and wasn't just some Guido with an undefeated record.

Before the failed tests: Wlad vs Wach - I thought Wach was very tough and showed a very strong chin.

Vitali-Lewis

Hopkins vs Taylor 2x

Bradley-Provodnikov

I'd come up with more, but I gotta get to class.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:57 PM   #14
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If robberies count...

Lara vs Williams rose Lara's stock up.

Abril vs Rios rose Abril's stock up.

Murray vs Martinez rose Murray's stock up [Not really a robbery, but a close fight that I thought should have gone to Murray].

Marquez-Pacquiao III - Rose Marquez's stock up at 147 - Before that, he was seen as ineffective at that weight. The 4th fight further proved he's a legit top 3 WW.

Malignaggi-Diaz I

Non robberies:

Malignaggi-Cotto - Showed Malignaggi had a lot of heart, strong chin, and wasn't just some Guido with an undefeated record.

Before the failed tests: Wlad vs Wach - I thought Wach was very tough and showed a very strong chin.

Vitali-Lewis

Hopkins vs Taylor 2x

Bradley-Provodnikov

I'd come up with more, but I gotta get to class.
spot on, also rees vs broner
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