**** Kirks ESB Championship 2012 ****

[PinoyProdigy]

Sad and depressed right now. Won't get over these feelings for a long, long time. Pac is still my idol though. He went in there and did his thing. Was a bit overconfident but I thought he was winning the fight. Just got caught by one hell of a punch. Congrats to Marquez, probably the happiest man on the planet right now.

[dits]

As a Pacfan, my hat is off to Marquez. He got the decisive win in what will probably be the signature win of his career.

What an incredible fight with the momentum shifting from one man to the other with the surprise KO as the cherry at the top. You guys thinks its FOTY?

[JDK]

Originally Posted by dits

You guys thinks its FOTY?

Very likely.
Fight of the year, KO of the year and very possibly fighter of the year.
I feel either Danny Perez or Donaire have done better effort as fighter of the year, but given the popularity and shock of this fight, they may give that title to Marquez.

[Steel Kelly]

Pacquiao has been finished for a long time, the last Marquez fight was the beginning of the end, then Bradley exposed him and now finally at 39 years old JMM knocks Manny out and has pretty much ended his career. Pacman needs to retire before he gets really hurt. He is no longer an elite fighter. It's over!

[David B]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

I thought you've taken your father to the hospital for something smaller, like a strained or broken leg/hip or something like that not a stroke. Hope he recovers well.
Heard Gamboa was down once in the fight.

Malden,Kirk,Beastside and all the rest
thanks for your words
my Estrada pick is in red Beast in your championship for the WBK title
shouldn't it be in blue?
thanks a lot man

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by David B

Malden,Kirk,Beastside and all the rest
thanks for your words
my Estrada pick is in red Beast in your championship for the WBK title
shouldn't it be in blue?
thanks a lot man

Yeah it should be blue, have you calculated your points?
I'll do yours again to be sure, Estrada result was a TD so 1 point for that one.

[David B]

Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

Yeah it should be blue, have you calculated your points?
I'll do yours again to be sure, Estrada result was a TD so 1 point for that one.

Buna beast
still have to learn the rules about the WBK title
you can calculate them
thanks man
what's the latest news about Bute - Froch
is it on for march or not?

[BeastsideBoxing]

Originally Posted by David B

Buna beast
still have to learn the rules about the WBK title
you can calculate them
thanks man
what's the latest news about Bute - Froch
is it on for march or not?

Bute want's it badly his team doesn't seems like it, those Rodriguez rumors came from somewhere.

Green UD = 2 points(1 for getting the right fighter and 1 for the right outcome)
Zhong UD = 2 points
Hatton T/KO = 0p
Quigg UD = 1 (you only got the winner right not the TKO method of winning)
Cloud TKO = canceled
Berto TKO = 0
Estrada T/KO = 1
Thurman UD = 1
Allakhverdiev UD = 1 (result TD)
Fury UD = 2
Velez UD = 1
Cotto TKO = 0
Kameda TKO = 1
Kim TKO = 0
Montes TKO = pending
Rees TKO = canceled
Vasquez UD = 2
Pacquiao TKO = 0
Kessler TKO = 2
Barker TKO = 2
Segura TKO = pending
Walters TKO = 2
Gamboa TKO = 1
Fortuna TKO = 1
Garcia TKO = canceled

[BeastsideBoxing]

I believe that makes 22, meaning i didn't scored you the Estrada fight. will redo the rankings. Thanks mate.
Everybody check their scores for errors. 1 point for winner another for the method of victory. Double the points for a featured fight which I forgot to do also... lol

I'll re-post them when I'm done.

[David B]

so 22 points
me and you split the third place
next time i make sure to follow my dream
see how you count the picks now
understood
thanks man
WBK
a new title i am interested in now

[BeastsideBoxing]

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[patscorpio]

just un****ingbelievable...im still in shock...great fight that was though

[Badbot]

Anyone remember the small speach Ariza gave about how everything has to come down eventually, leading up to the Margarito fight ?


It took me the whole day yesterday before i realized what had happened. I could not sleep for over an hour. The fight kept playing over and over in my mind. Marquez had the perfect gameplan for a KO and those two right hands were just abolutely perfect. Perfect perfect perfect !

Both time pacquiaos feet were not firmly on the ground and he did not seem to anticipate those punches that a muscled up powerhouse Marquez threw WITH EVERYTHING HE HAD !!! FULL ****ING FORCE.
For a moment i thought that Pacquiao would not get up at all

[Robney]

David man, all the best to your father... very sad to hear.

[kirk]

Originally Posted by David B

hi guys
2 days ago in the evening my father lost feeling in his legs
yesterday both his legs and his entirely left side was almost paralyzed
now today his face is ok and his arm 90 %
his left leg is still paralyzed
they expected a bleeding of the brain but a nurse told him of record the CT scan showed his brains were in perfect condition
it's still a mystery
tomorrow they do 4 more neurological tests
he is still in intensive care

That sucks David Im sorry to hear that man..... my grandma suffered a stroke about 4 months ago and has made almost a complete recovery so here is to hoping/praying that this is just a bump in the road and your father makes a complete recovery with no more issues.

Keep us updated

Originally Posted by David B

Kirk i don't know what to think about the dreams
i am a very rational person but when Marquez was having his hands on his hips 3 seconds after Manny was on his stomach
that was what i saw and described it as like a hawk spreading his wings
very strange....

It is indeed strange David.

I know they are just coincedences but it still feels weird lol.

My last boxing dream is when I dreamed (i wrote about it on esb before it happened, I got the link somewhere) that Pavlik knocked out Taylor with a right hand bomb in the middle rounds, and now this one, in my dream Pac was getting countered crisp and hard, and I strictly heard that it was the end of the Pac era.... and now Im reading articles that say its the end of the Pac era in the title....

I dont make too much of it, I know they are just dreams and coincedences, but the truth is when things like this happen (and Ive had quite a few in my normal life, non boxing dreams) it still feels slightly eerie lol.

Yours would be even moreso.... as yours showed Pac actually down and with Marquez's arms spread. Pretty crazy, man.

Originally Posted by David B

just watched the fight and felt sad when Manny was on his stomach
he did however fight very well but it is obvious both guys' reflexes are seriously diminished
this will make for a very exciting fifth fight but they are no longer on top of the foodchain pound for pound
how did Gamboa do guys ? really that bad
they are already critizing him in the general forum

I have been saying this for quite awhile now, that it is quite obvious that Pac has declined, and is no longer the Pac that was terrorizing opponents. It gets drowned out by the idiocy that is the general forum, but its the way I see it at least.

Not to say what they displayed are not world class, but they are not what they once were. This much is clear to me.

Here is the thing, and this is why I picked Marquez to win.

When two guys are physically declining, as Pac and JMM clearly are in my eyes..... things will slowly start to go the way of the one with better fundementals, and the better basic ring scientist.

That is why after I watched their third fight, there was little doubt in my mind that Marquez was going to win this fight. And the thing is, the more they fight, and the more time goes by, the less chances Pac will have of winning (just imo)

but anyways... thats just all my opinion at least.

Ok David I really hope everything turns out ok with your father.