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Old 01-05-2012, 04:59 AM   #46
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That kneee is the most overrated and overstated strike ever thrown in MMA. Look at the gif you just posted. The knee doesn't drop, stagger, or even seem to visibly wobble Shogun, and yet you and others pretend it left some massive effect, as to leave Rua a walking corpse for the rest of the fight. Unless you had some telepathic device which can read Shogun's mind and his nerve endings, the video evidence suggest you're talking utter shit. Don't argue with me, argue with the clip that YOU posted. Shogun can walk through fire, even when he is badly visibly hurt, and yet you (for some reason I don't understand) pretend he was devastated by a strike which had no visible effects whatsoever. Bizarre!
Yeah, it was confirmed by the Shogun camp, so that was a whole lot of pointless writing.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:14 AM   #47
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His knees ain't the same, if this version showed up against bones, bones would have been KTFO overeem style
Too many ifs and woulds in there mate.

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Here is how it works apparently-

Did Shogun win?

No. Unhealthy/Unmotivated Shogun

Yes. Normal Shogun turned up.

There is only one Shogun and he is a very inconsistent fighter, obviously this is partially to do with his very serious knee surgery but you can't keep using that as an excuse. He looked great in the fight before that against Machida.

Also he looked poor against Griffin in their first fight and that was before the surgery.

It really is ridiculous the way a lot of MMA fans make excuses for their favourite fighters losing. Same thing with BJ Penn.
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What he said.
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Old 01-05-2012, 06:25 AM   #48
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On a side note, I can't believe they allowed stomps and soccer kicks in Pride. Strikes that can definitely cripple someone.
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:05 AM   #49
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Shogun is terrible every time he has knee problems, the guy is never going to have an amazing career because he is always going to have that knee problem.

It's a miracle when an a mma fighter stays competitive for more than 6 years because of injury, Shogun has had a good run but will always train and fight with a weakness.
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:21 AM   #50
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That kneee is the most overrated and overstated strike ever thrown in MMA. Look at the gif you just posted. The knee doesn't drop, stagger, or even seem to visibly wobble Shogun, and yet you and others pretend it left some massive effect, as to leave Rua a walking corpse for the rest of the fight. Unless you had some telepathic device which can read Shogun's mind and his nerve endings, the video evidence suggest you're talking utter shit. Don't argue with me, argue with the clip that YOU posted. Shogun can walk through fire, even when he is badly visibly hurt, and yet you (for some reason I don't understand) pretend he was devastated by a strike which had no visible effects whatsoever. Bizarre!

Shogun himself has repeatedly claimed that the knee ****ed him up from the start in that fight. Is he lying?

Oh wait, I just remembered that you didn't believe that Shogun had surgery 8 weeks out from the second Machida fight even after I posted a video of Shogun and his team confirming the story in a post-fight interview. Never mind.

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Not making excuses just stating facts. If bones met this version of shogun, he would have been KTFO overeem style

Right because Jones completely gasses 3-6 minutes into every fight like the LHW version of Overeem did and "PRIDE Shogun" would have been able to do what several fighters with much better defensive wrestling haven't been able to, namely, stuff Jones' takedowns.

You know what, I'm done arguing with Shogun fans. They're by far the most delusional fanbase in MMA and possibly all of combat sports.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:48 PM   #51
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It doesn't matter which version of Shogun turns up to fight Jones. If he gets hit with that knee 5 seconds into the fight, he gets a brutal ass-kicking from them on regardless of how old he is or how many surgeries he has or has not had.

Shogun was so out of it that after a brief grapple he blocks a follow up strike.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:05 PM   #52
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Shogun was so out of it that after a brief grapple he blocks a follow up strike.
When the opening bell rang Shogun was convinced he was the better striker. He probably trained to stand in a stance built for stuffing takedowns. Within a few seconds of the opening bell he got caught with an unexpected flying knee to the face, the first strike in the fight from a 24 year old challenger that Shogun probably thought would freeze on the big stage and be intimidated by Shoguns experience. It was basically an audacious bitch slap. If you think that that knee had no effect on the fight then you truly are some kind of retard.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:15 PM   #53
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When the opening bell rang Shogun was convinced he was the better striker. He probably trained to stand in a stance built for stuffing takedowns. Within a few seconds of the opening bell he got caught with an unexpected flying knee to the face, the first strike in the fight from a 24 year old challenger that Shogun probably thought would freeze on the big stage and be intimidated by Shoguns experience. It was basically an audacious bitch slap. If you think that that knee had no effect on the fight then you truly are some kind of retard.
Yeah because Shogun has never been caught out by a big strike and then fought hard until the end.

Shogun lost, the striking was better than expected and then wrestling ****ed him but the guy gassed QUICK. Elite fighters shouldn't gas in 1 round, no matter how hard the fight is and definitely if they aren't heavyweights.

Rightly or wrongly the guy is injured alot and has clearly come in to a number of fights out of shape.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:21 PM   #54
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Yeah because Shogun has never been caught out by a big strike and then fought hard until the end.

Shogun lost, the striking was better than expected and then wrestling ****ed him but the guy gassed QUICK. Elite fighters shouldn't gas in 1 round, no matter how hard the fight is and definitely if they aren't heavyweights.

Rightly or wrongly the guy is injured alot and has clearly come in to a number of fights out of shape.
He tapped. Gassed fighters usually give up their back and get subbed or cover up until the ref stops it. Shogun was hurt, real bad. An 'in shape' Shogun would still have been hurt, real bad. Jones is just better than him.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:20 PM   #55
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He tapped. Gassed fighters usually give up their back and get subbed or cover up until the ref stops it. Shogun was hurt, real bad. An 'in shape' Shogun would still have been hurt, real bad. Jones is just better than him.
Plain and simple.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:38 PM   #56
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knee to the face would change anyone's game plan.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:41 PM   #57
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He tapped. Gassed fighters usually give up their back and get subbed or cover up until the ref stops it. Shogun was hurt, real bad. An 'in shape' Shogun would still have been hurt, real bad. Jones is just better than him.
Jones is better but a tap when you are a premier striker is questionable to say the least. It has tainted the image but the Hendo fight helped to bring it back again.
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:09 PM   #58
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Healthy Shogun = Motivated BJ Penn = "The Old Vitor"
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:37 AM   #59
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Shogun was so out of it that after a brief grapple he blocks a follow up strike.
I know. You couldn't make this shit up. These retarded fanboys on here dispute the evidence they can clearly see with their own eyes. Mental!!

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Old 01-06-2012, 09:16 AM   #60
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I`d need to see Rua convincingly beat a guy like Dan Henderson thru 4 or 5 hard paced rounds without looking gassed to convince me he is ready to beat Jones.... if he can reach that level cardio & sharpness wise then he could be the guy to chop Jones down.
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