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Old 01-13-2012, 04:48 PM   #31
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good effort but Maidana over 10 places above Khan ???

Khan and peterson are far too low
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Maidana is one of my favorites no doubt about it, but number 30?, above Khan and Peterson. I'm not sure about that.

I agree with the post above mine though, your top 10 is great.
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Marcos Maidana above Khan?
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How can Rios, Ricky Burns (even though being Scottish I'm a huge fan) and Maidana be above Khan? I'm in no way an Amir Khan fan, especially after the way he's acted after the Peterson loss but I really dont see how you can justify him being lower than those three.

Some effort with the list though, I probably wouldn't even know enough to be able to do a top 100 in all honesty
Good responses gents. I have an answer that I hope some of you check back in on to weigh in.

I'm a little caught of guard on the whole "Maidana above Khan" sort of thing. As in I didn't even think about their placement relative to another on the grounds of their head to head as I do in many other scenarios such as Cunningham/Hernandez or Macklin/Sturm.

I scored Khan/Maidana 113-112 to Khan. Take away a Joe Cortez point deduction and I have it a draw.

So my answer: Since that fight, I would take Maidana's resume over Khan's.

The Petrov KO is equal to the clumsy, joke looking albeit 6 round sweep over McCloskey. The Judah unification might be more impressive than the Morales war, but it was a war with Morales that it seems at least a slight majority felt he won. Plus the Judah KO was a little weak and a little bellow the belt. Losing to Peterson is a negative. A somewhat big negative for the top guys.

I had Khan #19, Peterson #96 going into their fight. I remember because it was significant and recent. Where should Khan have gone?

Also: While the Prescott KO has zero impact on Khans' 140 ranking (hence his upending Bradley pre-Peterson by many publications), it does on his P4P assessment of resume a little. 40 is still very good. He can't claim it was a Hopkins-esque or Donaire-esque close SD in his first or second pro fight. It happened.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:49 PM   #32
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At 1st glance, why is Adamek below Huck? I can't really comment on some people since I don't follow the lower weight classes much, if at all.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:04 PM   #33
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i don't agree with a couples of rank but since i'm too lazy too make a top 100 i can't argue!

Good job , great work!
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:31 PM   #34
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At 1st glance, why is Adamek below Huck? I can't really comment on some people since I don't follow the lower weight classes much, if at all.
Adamek hasn't done so well at heavyweight. Despite getting big credit for an impressive triumph over Arreola, none of his wins are over anybody who could ever enhance his stature, only ever maintaining it. The Klitschko loss was a bad one, never winning any 60 second stretch of the fight. Essentially, he has maxed out at heavyweight and his skills at the weight he has been at for a couple years now are not justifiable to be above where I place him after his bad defeat.

Huck on the other hand is the opposite. His only career defeat is to Cunningham and is a ways in the rear view mirror. In the past 28 months, he is 9-0. All WBO title defenses. That is crazy active. Then considering he just turned 27. Ramirez, Afolabi, Minto, Godfrey, Lebedev are legit wins. Yes, I scored the Lebedev fight to Lebedev 115-113. Lebedev is one of the best in the division and it was a close call that he got. Even Hucks' 6 European cruiser title fights seem above the usual opposition caliber for those titles.
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:55 PM   #35
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1. Floyd Mayweather 42-0, KO 26 Yes.

2. Manny Pacquiao 54-3-2, KO 38 Yes (though reversing 1 and 2 would be ok too)

3. Juan Manuel Marquez 53-6-1, KO 39 (Marquez has Pac's number, but I would move him down to spot 10)
4. Nonito Donaire 27-1, KO 18 Yes

5. Andre Ward 25-0, KO 13 Ok, but personally Ward, Martinez, and both Klitschoes could interchange places.

6. Sergio Martinez 48-2-2, KO 27

7. Wladimir Klitschko 56-3, KO 49

8. Timothy Bradley 28-0, KO 12 Too high imo.

9. Vitali Klitschko 43-2, KO 40

10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 83-3-2, KO 45

11. Anselmo Moreno 32-1-1, KO 11. Move to 18 or so.

12. Chad Dawson 30-1, KO 17

13. Bernard Hopkins 52-5-2, KO 32

14. Miguel Cotto 37-2, KO 30

15. Toshiaki Nishioka 39-4-3, KO 24

16. Yuriorkis Gamboa 21-0, KO 16

17. Brian Viloria 29-3, KO 17

18. Lucian Bute 30-0, KO 24 Tricky with Bute. Poor competition but looks great beating it. I would have him right after Kessler and Froch until he meet better opposition. So around #22 or so.

19. Chris John 46-0-2, KO 22

20. Mikkel Kessler 44-2, KO 33 Good, but could move up a couple of spots. After all he has onl ever lost to Calzaghe when he was #3 P4P and to Ward who may now be # 5 P4P. And both times on foreign soil.

21. Roman Gonzalez 30-0, KO 25 Move down a couple of spots until proven against better opposition.

22. Koki Kameda 27-1, KO 17

23. Orlando Salido 37-11-2, KO 25

24. Juan Manuel Lopez 31-1, KO 28

25. Carl Froch 28-2, KO 20 I would move Froch up to about spot 22.

26. Robert Guerrero 29-1-1, KO 18

27. Brandon Rios 29-0-1, KO 22

28. Abner Mares 23-0-1, KO 13

29. Takashi Uchiyama 18-0, KO 15

30. Marcos Maidana 31-2, KO 28

31. Ricky Burns 33-2, KO 9

32. Jean Pascal 26-2-1, KO 16 I would have Pascal about
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Overall though... clearly one of the better attempts of making a list.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:07 PM   #36
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Thanks for the input JoeAverage.

However, you say drop JMM to the 10 spot? On what grounds could you have anyone other than Mayweather, Pac, Sergio, Ward, or Donaire ahead of him?
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Old 01-15-2012, 12:03 AM   #37
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1/14/12 update: Stieglitz's win over Weber affirms his position. He maintains his spot.

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EDIT: To answer my old statement to self here, Ramos exits from #78 after his horrible showing against Rigondeaux, whom was just outside from making my list. Rigondeaux's impressive win not only gets him to replace Ramos' spot, but has convinced me that he deserves higher placement than those ranked above where Ramos was. Rigondeaux enters at a very high #71.

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Old 02-19-2012, 06:36 AM   #38
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Due to the updating of the list from my original post, I have copy n pasted my original list from 12/31/11.

1. Floyd Mayweather 42-0, KO 26

2. Manny Pacquiao 54-3-2, KO 38

3. Juan Manuel Marquez 53-6-1, KO 39

4. Nonito Donaire 27-1, KO 18

5. Andre Ward 25-0, KO 13

6. Sergio Martinez 48-2-2, KO 27

7. Wladimir Klitschko 56-3, KO 49

8. Timothy Bradley 28-0, KO 12

9. Vitali Klitschko 43-2, KO 40

10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 83-3-2, KO 45

11. Anselmo Moreno 32-1-1, KO 11

12. Chad Dawson 30-1, KO 17

13. Bernard Hopkins 52-5-2, KO 32

14. Miguel Cotto 37-2, KO 30

15. Toshiaki Nishioka 39-4-3, KO 24

16. Yuriorkis Gamboa 21-0, KO 16

17. Brian Viloria 29-3, KO 17

18. Lucian Bute 30-0, KO 24

19. Chris John 46-0-2, KO 22

20. Mikkel Kessler 44-2, KO 33

21. Roman Gonzalez 30-0, KO 25

22. Koki Kameda 27-1, KO 17

23. Orlando Salido 37-11-2, KO 25

24. Juan Manuel Lopez 31-1, KO 28

25. Carl Froch 28-2, KO 20

26. Robert Guerrero 29-1-1, KO 18

27. Brandon Rios 29-0-1, KO 22

28. Abner Mares 23-0-1, KO 13

29. Takashi Uchiyama 18-0, KO 15

30. Marcos Maidana 31-2, KO 28

31. Ricky Burns 33-2, KO 9

32. Jean Pascal 26-2-1, KO 16

33. Marco Huck 34-1, KO 25

34. Tomasz Adamek 44-2, KO 28

35. Jhonny Gonzalez 51-7, KO 45

36. Nkosinathi Joyi 21-0, KO 15

37. Hernan Marquez 32-2, KO 25

38. Giovani Segura 28-2-1, KO 24

39. Lamont Peterson 30-1-1, KO 15

40. Amir Khan 26-2, KO 18

41. Jorge Arce 59-6-2, KO 45

42. Omar Narvaez 35-1-2, KO 19

43. Humberto Soto 57-7-2, KO 34

44. Ulises Solis 34-2-3, KO 21

45. Victor Ortiz 29-3-2, KO 22

46. Andre Berto 28-1, KO 22

47. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai 20-4-1, KO 7

48. Tavoris Cloud 23-0, KO 19

49. Paul Williams 40-2, KO 27

50. Devon Alexander 22-1, KO 13

51. Zsolt Erdei 33-0, KO 18

52. Donnie Nietes 29-1-3, KO 16

53. Alexander Povetkin 23-0, KO 16

54. Daniel Geale 26-1, KO 15

55. Sergei Dzinziruk 37-1, KO 23

56. Celestino Caballero 36-4, KO 23

57. Steve Cunningham 24-3, KO 12

58. Yoan Pablo Hernandez 25-1, KO 13

59. Kazuto Ioka 9-0, KO 6

60. Saul Alvarez 39-0-1, KO 29

61. Miguel Vazquez 29-3, KO 13

62. Ivan Calderon 35-2-1, KO 6

63. Joseph Agbeko 28-4, KO 22

64. Antonio DeMarco 26-2-1, KO 19

65. Moruti Mthalane 28-2, KO 19

66. Viacheslav Senchenko 32-0, KO 21

67. James Kirkland 30-1, KO 27

68. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym 45-2, KO 31

69. Matthew Macklin 28-3, KO 19

70. Felix Sturm 36-2-2, KO 15

71. Vic Darchinyan 37-4-1, KO 27

72. Carlos Molina 19-4-2, KO 6

73. Erislandy Lara 15-1-1, KO 10

74. Adrien Broner 22-0, KO 18

75. Takahiro Ao 22-2-1, KO 10

76. Beibut Shumenov 12-1, KO 8

77. Juan Carlos Salgado 24-1-1, KO 16

78. Rico Ramos 20-0, KO 11

79. Dmitry Pirog 19-0, KO 15

80. Kelly Pavlik 37-2, KO 32

81. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk 46-2-1, KO 33

82. Gabriel Campillo 21-3-1, KO 8

83. Kompayak Porpramook 44-3, KO 30

84. Adrian Hernandez 22-2-1, KO 14

85. Oleydong Sithsamerchai 39-1-1, KO 14

86. Roman Martinez 25-1-1, KO 16

87. Nathan Cleverly 23-0, KO 11

88. Austin Trout 24-0, KO 14

89. Anthony Mundine 43-4, KO 25

90. Victor Terrazes 32-2-1, KO 18

91. Fernando Montiel 46-4-2, KO 36

92. Hozumi Hasegawa 29-4, KO 12

93. Lucas Matthysse 29-2, KO 27

94. Tomonobu Shimizu 19-3-1, KO 9

95. Hugo Cazares 36-7-2, KO 26

96. Denis Lebedev 23-1, KO 17

97. Jan Zaveck 31-2, KO 18

98. Cornelius Bundrage 31-4, KO 18

99. Robert Stieglitz 40-2, KO 23

100. Moises Fuentes 14-1, KO 6
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:41 AM   #39
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2/18/12 fights:
The Cloud/Campillo fight was an interesting one. I raised Campillo ahead of Cloud one spot, who was lowered, on the virtue that if his most of his blemishes were scored as I feel they should, he'd have the more impressive resume. The head to head match-up also affirms that Campillo be ranked ahead, despite the decision.

Paul Williams rose one spot ahead of Rungvisai, basically maintaining his position due to my lofty ranking in the belief that he had what he showed on 2/18 to offer yet.

Vitali Klitschko maintains his spot, but his #9 placement and Pongsaklek's #10 are mighty close to flipping. If Wonjongkam was facing someone better than Sonny Boy Jaro on his upcoming March 2nd date, the positions could be in danger of flipping.
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petrov win same as McCloskey ?????????

you must not know who dudey is, petrov is fringe contender for euro belt, McCloskey was number 10 ring ranked fighter going into khan fight, if he fights alvarado (current 10th ring ranked fighter) i'll pick McCloskey
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24. Juan Manuel Lopez 31-1, KO 28
26. Robert Guerrero 29-1-1, KO 18
27. Brandon Rios 29-0-1, KO 22

explain these in terms of resume on why they're ahead of khan who has fought 6 ring ranked fighters and 5 former/current/future champions
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petrov win same as McCloskey ?????????

you must not know who dudey is, petrov is fringe contender for euro belt, McCloskey was number 10 ring ranked fighter going into khan fight, if he fights alvarado (current 10th ring ranked fighter) i'll pick McCloskey
That #10 ranking by the Ring conveniently after Khan signs to fight him... Hmm, no way he was top 10 @ 140 in my opinion. I thought Khan looked poor and sloppy against McCloskey, despite the six round sweep.

Also, I scored the McCloskey/Prescott fight to Prescott by a point or two. And Prescott at that point is not even that great of an opponent. Whereas Maidana knocked Petrov out. I don't know man, they are close to the same.

I'll be picking Alvarado if that goes down.
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24. Juan Manuel Lopez 31-1, KO 28
26. Robert Guerrero 29-1-1, KO 18
27. Brandon Rios 29-0-1, KO 22

explain these in terms of resume on why they're ahead of khan who has fought 6 ring ranked fighters and 5 former/current/future champions
I explain myself more thoroughly in an earlier post on the thread.

Maybe most importantly and obviously: I didn't seem to rate Khan as high as everyone pre-Peterson fight. I thought he was not close to being P4P top 10 material and that Bradley was the clear cut #1 JWW. Most people disagreed, but guess what? I think most would agree that the above said opinion turned out to be more correct than the general consensus.

I had Khan #19 when he faced then #96 Lamont Peterson. He fought dirty and lost a decision. The fact I didn't drop him lower than #40 is out of respect for his resume.

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Edit: As for each fighter you name.

Rios- He has three great KO's within the calendar year (which is generally more important on a P4P list in some regards than what you did 3 years ago). Showcased his elite power and pressure in those fights. Established himself as the #2 guy in the division. Acosta and Antillon were ranked well on this list before Rios fought them.

Guerrero- His loss came before he was "world class," similar to Khan's loss to Prescott. He immediately redeemed it thoroughly, and has since accumulated a resume consisting of work in three weight divisions. He has good specific wins on the resume if nitpicking (Abazi in Denmark, KO1 Honorio, Litzau, Klassen for 130 lb title), and shows a good skillset as well. He has not dropped in ranking due to poor performance, and most recently got a boost from the big win over Katsidis.

Lopez- He was P4P #11 in my view before he faced off with Salido. He was 9-0 in his title fights, spanning two divisions, 8 of them by stoppage victory. Very good fights at junior featherweight and featherweight. Memorable performances and thrills in the Ponce de Leon, Concepcion, and Rafael Marquez wins. His skills and dominance at those two divisions over the years get him on the list.

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Ricky Burns at 32.

Good boxer, but explain?
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