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Old 02-19-2012, 12:26 PM   #46
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McCloskey was ranked number 10 before Khan actually signed to fight him

Rios has been fighting bums Acosta was a boderline contender, recently his fight with murray was probably his best win, he is exciting but needs to fight someone with a chance of beating him. He is in a weak division, only recently burns going up has made it a decent division.

Guerrero has had a poor run of fighters he has beaten, Katsidis is his best win - Judah, Kotelnik, Pauli, Maidana - all above Katsidis.

Lopez - Marquez was old and way over the hill.

Good effort and decent list but your ranking has mistakes in my opinion and your explanations for those rankings are very flawed - no disrespect.

I honestly don't think you realise the difference in class between LW and LWW.

We'll have to agree to disagree
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:52 PM   #47
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Good effort and decent list but your ranking has mistakes in my opinion and your explanations for those rankings are very flawed - no disrespect.
No disrespect, but your responses are very limited and contradictory. I disagree with much of what you say. I'd love to see some of your list and point out the massive inconsistencies.

Like you said, agree to disagree.

Acosta, a "borderline contender?" The Ring rankings, which you hold as gospel when it comes to McCloskey despite no one else feeling he was top 10 contender, ranked Acosta as the #1 LW in the world when Rios beat him. Rios inherited that position (only behind Ring champ JMM).

Come on, dude...

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Old 02-19-2012, 04:56 PM   #48
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Ricky Burns at 32.

Good boxer, but explain?
He showed world class boxing ability over his run the past two years.

His FOTY-caliber win over Martinez is huge, as Martinez was the top dog of his division.

Showed a lot of his talent, which I believe in more than you (apparently; not a bad thing, it just explains his ranking), even in the Laryea title defense.

Certainly, his jump up in weight and victory over a game Katsidis in his first fight there gave him the jump into the low 30's.

I see him as, at the moment, better than most below him and few above him. It's not an exact science, but that's often essentially how it goes.
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Old 02-19-2012, 05:36 PM   #49
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Respectable list.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:05 PM   #50
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Nice top 100 man. A+ for effort. I have my own changes on the ranking based on my own observation but I respect your list. Must be hard to consider everything.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:44 AM   #51
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Up this Saturday:
#33 Huck vs. #53 Povetkin
#87 Cleverly vs. Karpency
#30 Maidana vs. #50 Alexander
#75 Broner vs. Perez

My picks are gonna be:
Povetkin TKO 9
Cleverly UD
Maidana TKO 8
Broner KO 4
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:32 AM   #52
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i was exaggerating a bit with McCloskey, but LWW is far superior than LW, McCloskey would beat acosta H2H i think.

Khans resume and recent run >>> maidana's and rios's
yet he is ranked lower
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:53 AM   #53
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Good effort... good read

Only two points..... Ricky Burns above Khan? I like burns, but I do not think he has done enough to be above Khan

Also Nathan Cleverly at 87, He would go into the top 30 on my list

Other than that great read
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:39 PM   #54
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I would love to see top 1000
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:45 PM   #55
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Who gives a **** about your list? You're a ****in Floyd ****sucker!
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:13 PM   #56
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Not sure about the latter 80, but your top 20 are great. Kirkland though, much higher after the angulo win, like top 40. oh and some guy with only 9 fights, ranked above someone like lebedev?

sorry for hating, but overall I like it.
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This is my list of the top 100 pound-for-pound best. It is as of 2/19/12.

The original list which I created on 12/31/11 and at the time of the original post date has been re-posted on Post 38 of this thread.

My criteria is, well, my criteria. I hope you respect that. I do try to be consistent but the whole point is that it is what I think and also shows I project each specifically. What I mean by that is that many times a decent win doesn't propel guys up automatically if I've already, I don't want to say "seen it coming," but I'll instead say that I just hope you know what I'm saying. People who think I'm crazy for having Williams at #49 will be proved absolutely correct if Ishida beats him in any form, however if Williams wins dominantly and further recovers, maybe it wasn't so radical of an assessment. However, I also have to focus on worthiness via resume. For example, I don't necessarily think that Alexander is the 50th best fighter in the world, but compared with a ratio that I deem fair of what I believe and based on his accomplishments compared to everyone else, that's where I've felt correct to slot him. I had a list this size a year ago and have been monitoring it over that span to gauge an accurate one.

Enjoy and let me know what stands out good or bad in your opinion. I'll give my justification.

1. Floyd Mayweather 42-0, KO 26

2. Manny Pacquiao 54-3-2, KO 38

3. Juan Manuel Marquez 53-6-1, KO 39

4. Nonito Donaire 28-1, KO 18

5. Andre Ward 25-0, KO 13

6. Sergio Martinez 48-2-2, KO 27

7. Wladimir Klitschko 56-3, KO 49

8. Timothy Bradley 28-0, KO 12

9. Vitali Klitschko 44-2, KO 40

10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 83-3-2, KO 45

11. Anselmo Moreno 32-1-1, KO 11

12. Chad Dawson 30-1, KO 17

13. Bernard Hopkins 52-5-2, KO 32

14. Miguel Cotto 37-2, KO 30

15. Toshiaki Nishioka 39-4-3, KO 24

16. Yuriorkis Gamboa 21-0, KO 16

17. Brian Viloria 29-3, KO 17

18. Lucian Bute 30-0, KO 24

19. Chris John 46-0-2, KO 22

20. Mikkel Kessler 44-2, KO 33

21. Roman Gonzalez 30-0, KO 25

22. Koki Kameda 27-1, KO 17

23. Orlando Salido 37-11-2, KO 25

24. Juan Manuel Lopez 31-1, KO 28

25. Carl Froch 28-2, KO 20

26. Robert Guerrero 29-1-1, KO 18

27. Brandon Rios 29-0-1, KO 22

28. Abner Mares 23-0-1, KO 13

29. Takashi Uchiyama 18-0, KO 15

30. Marcos Maidana 31-2, KO 28

31. Ricky Burns 33-2, KO 9

32. Jean Pascal 26-2-1, KO 16

33. Marco Huck 34-1, KO 25

34. Yoan Pablo Hernandez 26-1, KO 13

35. Tomasz Adamek 44-2, KO 28

36. Jhonny Gonzalez 51-7, KO 45

37. Nkosinathi Joyi 21-0, KO 15

38. Hernan Marquez 32-2, KO 25

39. Giovani Segura 28-2-1, KO 24

40. Lamont Peterson 30-1-1, KO 15

41. Amir Khan 26-2, KO 18

42. Jorge Arce 60-6-2, KO 46

43. Omar Narvaez 35-1-2, KO 19

44. Humberto Soto 57-7-2, KO 34

45. Ulises Solis 34-2-3, KO 21

46. Victor Ortiz 29-3-2, KO 22

47. Andre Berto 28-1, KO 22

48. Paul Williams 41-2, KO 27

49. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai 20-4-1, KO 7

50. Devon Alexander 22-1, KO 13

51. Zsolt Erdei 33-0, KO 18

52. Donnie Nietes 29-1-3, KO 16

53. Alexander Povetkin 23-0, KO 16

54. Daniel Geale 26-1, KO 15

55. Sergei Dzinziruk 37-1, KO 23

56. Celestino Caballero 36-4, KO 23

57. Kazuto Ioka 9-0, KO 6

58. Saul Alvarez 39-0-1, KO 29

59. Miguel Vazquez 30-3, KO 13

60. Gabriel Campillo 21-4-1, KO 8

61. Tavoris Cloud 24-0, KO 19

62. Ivan Calderon 35-2-1, KO 6

63. Joseph Agbeko 28-4, KO 22

64. Antonio DeMarco 26-2-1, KO 19

65. Moruti Mthalane 28-2, KO 19

66. Viacheslav Senchenko 32-0, KO 21

67. James Kirkland 30-1, KO 27

68. Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym 45-2, KO 31

69. Matthew Macklin 28-3, KO 19

70. Felix Sturm 36-2-2, KO 15

71. Guillermo Rigondeaux 9-0, KO 7

72. Vic Darchinyan 37-4-1, KO 27

73. Carlos Molina 19-4-2, KO 6

74. Erislandy Lara 15-1-1, KO 10

75. Adrien Broner 22-0, KO 18

76. Takahiro Ao 22-2-1, KO 10

77. Beibut Shumenov 12-1, KO 8

78. Juan Carlos Salgado 24-1-1, KO 16

79. Dmitry Pirog 19-0, KO 15

80. Kelly Pavlik 37-2, KO 32

81. Steve Cunningham 24-4, KO 12

82. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk 46-2-1, KO 33

83. Kompayak Porpramook 44-3, KO 30

84. Adrian Hernandez 22-2-1, KO 14

85. Oleydong Sithsamerchai 39-1-1, KO 14

86. Roman Martinez 25-1-1, KO 16

87. Nathan Cleverly 23-0, KO 11

88. Austin Trout 24-0, KO 14

89. Anthony Mundine 43-4, KO 25

90. Victor Terrazes 32-2-1, KO 18

91. Fernando Montiel 46-4-2, KO 36

92. Hozumi Hasegawa 29-4, KO 12

93. Lucas Matthysse 30-2, KO 28

94. Tomonobu Shimizu 19-3-1, KO 9

95. Hugo Cazares 36-7-2, KO 26

96. Denis Lebedev 23-1, KO 17

97. Jan Zaveck 31-2, KO 18

98. Cornelius Bundrage 31-4, KO 18

99. Robert Stieglitz 41-2, KO 23

100. Moises Fuentes 14-1, KO 6
Gamboa #16!?

Gamboa is top 10 ...
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:06 PM   #58
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replace 2 with 3 and solid list. 6 and 5 is debatable.
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:04 AM   #59
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i was exaggerating a bit with McCloskey, but LWW is far superior than LW, McCloskey would beat acosta H2H i think.

Khans resume and recent run >>> maidana's and rios's
yet he is ranked lower
I respect your points.

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Good effort... good read

Only two points..... Ricky Burns above Khan? I like burns, but I do not think he has done enough to be above Khan

Also Nathan Cleverly at 87, He would go into the top 30 on my list

Other than that great read
Read through all the above posts regarding my Khan ranking.

Cleverly in the top 30? No. Aside from the very good win over Murat, he has a handful of very solid victories, but nothing great. Bellew, Kuziemski, than who? I think many people would have him lower.

Thanks.

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I would love to see top 1000
I laughed here... Me too.

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Who gives a **** about your list? You're a ****in Floyd ****sucker!
Cool.

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Not sure about the latter 80, but your top 20 are great. Kirkland though, much higher after the angulo win, like top 40. oh and some guy with only 9 fights, ranked above someone like lebedev?

sorry for hating, but overall I like it.
Not hating at all. It's a top 100 P4P, I'd hope people disagreed heavily. Well, that's actually not true...

-Kirkland I agree in a H2H sense is a top 40 fighter. But combined with what he has done, particularly post-prison time, he hasn't earned to be higher than all those other guys, in my opinion.

-Ioka and Rigondeaux are the 9-0 fighters. Ioka is, along with Joyi, the top two guys in his division (105 lbs). Sorry, but the Cordoba and Hernandez wins which Rigondeaux and Ioka hold, respectively, trump everything on Lebedev's resume aside from the Huck loss. Which is no match to the said fighters' best wins. Just, look into them, I don't think it is wrong to rate those two guys where they are.

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Gamboa #16!?

Gamboa is top 10 ...
I really don't think Gamboa is top 10. I greatly disagree with that. If he beats Rios, he becomes a clear cut "top 7 guy" (Floyd, Pac, JMM, Donaire, Ward, Sergio, *Gamboa*).

At the moment however, aside from getting additional ups for "skills" AKA "everyones' own opinion of talent," Gamboa has only really beat Mtagwa, Barros, Salido, Solis, and Ponce de Leon. The Salido performance was great, as his individual performances always are. But the credit can only go so far here. Not the kind of achievements that put him into that top 10 (which I believe are firm, regardless of the order of those 10).

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replace 2 with 3 and solid list. 6 and 5 is debatable.
I debated on Pac and JMM greatly. I think it will be justified over their next fight(s).

Call me a skeptic on Sergio. I think he is elite, but I really don't think he is better than Ward resume-wise even, nor as skilled.

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Thanks everybody!
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Old 02-24-2012, 03:19 AM   #60
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Ricky Burns is a bit high no?
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