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Old 12-28-2007, 05:11 AM   #1
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is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..
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Old 12-28-2007, 11:22 AM   #2
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is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..
Skip the weights all together. Do intense calisthenics at the end of your boxing work out. Pushups, situps, and pullups.
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Old 12-28-2007, 02:23 PM   #3
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Skip the weights all together. Do intense calisthenics at the end of your boxing work out. Pushups, situps, and pullups.
I agree.
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:41 PM   #4
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yeah, do them after. and they are more valuable than weight lifting.
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Old 12-28-2007, 07:08 PM   #5
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half hour of cardio in the am. half hour of lifting in the pm=major fat loss and fitness gains.
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Old 12-28-2007, 09:48 PM   #6
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You could always just incorporate pushups into your lifting schedule. Otherwise you can use them in between your lifting days as active recovery too.
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is it best to do calisthenics after your boxing workout or at seperate times?..
i'm concerned i maybe over training if i do weights (ex weighted dips,bench) then the following day sets of push ups as part of boxing training..
In addition to calisthenics, make sure you do lots of running. Distance, intervals, hills, etc. Fighters that do not run, should get ready to gas and get KO'd. Running much more important than weights.
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Old 12-29-2007, 10:25 AM   #8
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In addition to calisthenics, make sure you do lots of running. Distance, intervals, hills, etc. Fighters that do not run, should get ready to gas and get KO'd. Running much more important than weights.
alot of fighter dont run and hate running, how do they last the 12?

there is more than one way to skin a cat.
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alot of fighter dont run and hate running, how do they last the 12?

there is more than one way to skin a cat.
I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?
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I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?
Running helps improve an energy system, you don't necessarily have to run to do this.
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Running helps improve an energy system, you don't necessarily have to run to do this.
I understand the science. It is the intangible benefits that running provides that also makes it so important for a fighter. Distance running is hard - that builds mental strength as well as aerobic fitness. Hill work and intervals help fighters with explosiveness. Fighters that have developed energy reserves in this manner have more confidence in the ring and are willing to fight aggressively without fear of gassing. As I wrote, there is a reason why succesful trainers have their fighters run a lot. It works!
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I understand the science. It is the intangible benefits that running provides that also makes it so important for a fighter. Distance running is hard - that builds mental strength as well as aerobic fitness. Hill work and intervals help fighters with explosiveness. Fighters that have developed energy reserves in this manner have more confidence in the ring and are willing to fight aggressively without fear of gassing. As I wrote, there is a reason why succesful trainers have their fighters run a lot. It works!
I get what you're saying, but why do you think only running has these benefits? Why wouldn't rowing, cycling, swimming etc have the same effects?
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I get what you're saying, but why do you think only running has these benefits? Why wouldn't rowing, cycling, swimming etc have the same effects?
They could have the same fitness effects, but running has more practical application for boxing. Leg conditioning is crucial. While cycling could work, it takes much longer to get the same benefit as running. Even Lance Armstrong recently stated that he has switched to running, after retiring, due to the efficiency of the activity. Plus I am not sure cycling can match hill running or interval sprints.
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I am a former pro. If there are pros that do not run, I have not met them. However, there could be exceptions. That said, in my 30 years in this sport, all fighters that are lazy about running, end up losing. A great quote from Ernie Terrell - "90% of boxing is conditioning and 90% of conditioning is running". You do know who Ernie Terrell is?

I am not sure what your real experience (i.e., actual fights) with boxing is, but if you are not running (a lot) I would bet you lose a lot.

Forget what you read in books, why do you think all successful boxing trainers in the real world have their fighters run extensively?
funny how you had to start off with "i am a former pro boxer", like who cares?

anyways running is good but its not the only way of doing things, a few pro boxers i know here who dont run, they prefer swimming or biking, or some just stick to traditional bag work, jump rope and floor work and they say that is enough, many of them have bad knees from running.

by the way whats your pro record, i hope you haven't lost a fight or you're going to sound like an idiot.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:40 PM   #15
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funny how you had to start off with "i am a former pro boxer", like who cares?

anyways running is good but its not the only way of doing things, a few pro boxers i know here who dont run, they prefer swimming or biking, or some just stick to traditional bag work, jump rope and floor work and they say that is enough, many of them have bad knees from running.

by the way whats your pro record, i hope you haven't lost a fight or you're going to sound like an idiot.
The reason I started of with that is to help you understand that you should learn from real experience. Lots of armchair fitness experts and boxing experts out there.

Once again, there is a reason why all successful trainers have their fighters do roadwork. Ignore that at your own peril. That is, if you plan to actually step in the ring!
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