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Old 06-13-2012, 01:05 AM   #466
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:21 AM   #467
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Take a look at this.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWri3NRXgQw&feature=autoplay&list=ULfbL5Anr-tyg&playnext=7[/ame]


I'v never seen a sever injury happen like that before, throws a punch (straight right hand) twists his ankle? Must have broke it, looks like he did. what a strange injury...

Almost reminds me of what happened to Bradley except far worse.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:32 AM   #468
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I'v never seen a sever injury happen like that before, throws a punch (straight right hand) twists his ankle? Must have broke it, looks like he did. what a strange injury...

Almost reminds me of what happened to Bradley except far worse.
That looked totally innocuous. But ouch.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:57 AM   #469
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That looked totally innocuous. But ouch.
well if it was a broken ankle it isnt life threatening or career ending, but painful. for a thai boxer who fights often I would imagine itwould put them out of the game for a while.

still an freak injury. I guess not as bad as others I'v seen...
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:28 AM   #470
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Thought I would post this fight cause its bad ass!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobuj8J-vZA[/ame]



fights a little old now from back in March but I dont think it was posted and a good fight is a good fight right?
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Old 06-14-2012, 09:39 PM   #471
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Just mixing it up with some Aussie indulgence guys.

A 21 year old John Wayne Parr stops Thai "Ai Mat Narok Taeg" Raktear Muangsurin back in 1997 >>>

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The developing JWP gets decked with a big right hand inside the first minute. But takes control and eventually overpowers his Thai opponent.
I'm a big fan of JWP a true ATGF, but to be fair to Raktear he was about 10 years after his prime in this fight.

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More early John Wayne Parr. This time KOing 'Riddler' Reece in about 2000 >>>

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JWP drops Riddler with a big right hand late in the 1st round. But the ending isn't quite as clear. Must have been an elbow, but almost invisible no matter how many times I've re-watched it.
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The first knockdown I think was an elbow, the stoppage was definitely an elbow.
Both elbows, the 1st is classic.

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JWP's idea sounds very good to me, and how isn't it Mua Thai? So they are in a cage and using 4 pound MMA gloves. Otherwise it's pure Mua Thai.

JWP is honest enough too to say that it's about him having a cage fight after 100 plus fights in the ring. He's earned the right for a little self indulgence before he retires surely.
I agree, I don't see what the big problem is. It's not too disimilar to what goes on with the MT vs Lethwei fighters just without the cage. I don't see how the purist (I.m a massive purist) could complain about JWP as he's a pure MT legend and purist! Some people just love to whinge!

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Old 06-14-2012, 10:15 PM   #472
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Guys, this can be considered Muay Thai ??
They say in the video that this was for the "Muay Thai World Championship ISKA"....this is pretty much Kickboxing to me, right ? It seems that elbows arenīt allowed in this fight.....

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No elbows. ISKA were an american organisation and the American's were very late comers to the MT party, at this stage they hadn't really figured out wheter Kickboxing was still bigger than MT or not. I think they were also having licensing problems with some states for knees and elbows and in the early days low kicks.

As a teenager I remember fighting in Richmond Viginia in around 92 under ISKA rules, being over seen by Curtis Bush an ISKA champ. I wore Thai shorts hardly anyone had ever seen a pair at that time except from the movie kickboxer which was still fresh in peoples minds. I had to fight kicks only above the waist (no less than 7 kicks a round) wasn't alowed to grab legs and had to wear shinpads and bootie things, ****in nightmare. The Americns were very into full contact Karate at that stage and Taekwondo was very popular.

Funny I used to enjoy watching Maurice Smith (and I'm not really into HWs), i always wanted to see himbash up Alexio but it never happened.

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I'v never seen a sever injury happen like that before, throws a punch (straight right hand) twists his ankle? Must have broke it, looks like he did. what a strange injury...

Almost reminds me of what happened to Bradley except far worse.
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well if it was a broken ankle it isnt life threatening or career ending, but painful. for a thai boxer who fights often I would imagine itwould put them out of the game for a while.

still an freak injury. I guess not as bad as others I'v seen...
Yeah a freaky one. The two guys in this clip are still at school, students ao are very young maybe 15-16. Young over used still growing bodies can get damaged due to unnaturaul wear and tear of a boxer's life from a young age. To me it could be one of two things,hard to see. Either the shin has gone which I've seen on a few occasions or the tendon/muscle has tightened too much and spasmed (don't know the technical term) happened to me in Thailand once, my arm was repeatedly bashed and my hand flipped and went at a 90 degree angle to my arm and locked. I thought and it felt like I'd broken it, but I could move it after about 10 minutes.

If it's the shin break he's finished, very few can come back form a broken shin to MT. More physiological than anything, knew two good fighters that did shins, one in a very slight exchange and the other in sparring niether fought again, both British fighters not Thai. In the clip it kind of looks like you can see the shin bone buckle about 3 inches below the knee, or it could be a muscle spasm as he does manage to walk out the ring, either way looks ****in painful.
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:29 PM   #473
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fights a little old now from back in March but I dont think it was posted and a good fight is a good fight right?
Great post Yaca and I agree a good fights a good fight when ever it happened. This thread seems to have grown into this epic MT jugganaught of all things MT so keep posting any thing we find intersting form the MT or KB wrold. (As long as that's OK with Vic, i'll post another ATG soon).

Talk about heart, and remeber thosemystical Thai powers of ecovery I was talking about in the Penek thread, well here they are! Thai's are very tough to put down, they are so damn conditioned and fit.

Om Noi is a great little Stadium to watch fights at just on the outskirts of BKK. It's where the guys on the way up meet the guys on the way down, where stars are spotted nad where faded stars get one last chance, makes for some epic scrapes. Thye used to wear tiny gloves there years ago.
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I agree, I don't see what the big problem is. It's not too disimilar to what goes on with the MT vs Lethwei fighters just without the cage. I don't see how the purist (I.m a massive purist) could complain about JWP as he's a pure MT legend and purist! Some people just love to whinge!
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:41 PM   #475
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Great posts guys.

Recent fight of Wanchalong Sitzornong, Lumpinee 115 lbs champion since September 2011......

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn_tdo1jsr8&feature=plcp[/ame]



Wanchalong in blue...
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Great posts guys.

Recent fight of Wanchalong Sitzornong, Lumpinee 115 lbs champion since September 2011......

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Wanchalong in blue...
Thanks Vic, interesting post. Ive seen Wanchalong Sitsornong before, easy to remember him as a southy with a great left kick. He fought on the recent Penek v Saenchai undercard.

The clip was an oddly restrained chess match between two guys that know and respect each other's skill. Makes sense as this was the rubber match, they'd fought each other twice before each having a win and a loss.

For me though, Sitsornong had it from the start and never really let it go. He seems to be one of those guys that has a radar for anticipating an attack and understands balance well so he can check things wonderfully. Great fast accurate feet especially his left, but I hate the way he carries his hands in defence, very wide.

Good clip.

Here's a highlight compilation that focuses on 4 current top class Thai fighters, Penek, Wanchalong, Chok Preecha and Detkart. It's a class reel, Wanchalong's highlights are at around 3.30. This clip really shows you the quality of of Wanchalong's kicks particularly his vicious left! Check Penek's elbow just before Wanchalong's clips.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXETAufHDT0[/ame]

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Old 06-18-2012, 12:16 PM   #477
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Thanks Vic, interesting post. Ive seen Wanchalong Sitsornong before, easy to remember him as a southy with a great left kick. He fought on the recent Penek v Saenchai undercard.

The clip was an oddly restrained chess match between two guys that know and respect each other's skill. Makes sense as this was the rubber match, they'd fought each other twice before each having a win and a loss.

For me though, Sitsornong had it from the start and never really let it go. He seems to be one of those guys that has a radar for anticipating an attack and understands balance well so he can check things wonderfully. Great fast accurate feet especially his left, but I hate the way he carries his hands in defence, very wide.

Good clip.

Here's a highlight compilation that focuses on 4 current top class Thai fighters, Penek, Wanchalong, Chok Preecha and Detkart. It's a class reel, Wanchalong's highlights are at around 3.30. This clip really shows you the quality of of Wanchalong's kicks particularly his vicious left! Check Penek's elbow just before Wanchalong's clips.

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Yep. Well said.

Btw, Saenchai vs Mehdi Zatout

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Recent fight btw..
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:35 AM   #478
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Yep. Well said.

Btw, Saenchai vs Mehdi Zatout

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Recent fight btw..
Thanks Vic for posting the fight. Yaca mentioned this fight was coming up in the Penek v Saenchai thread been looking forward to it.

The bigger Mehdi had nothing to offer or bother and little old Saenchai showed up to “play” literally. A bit of fun and a pay check for the old master. Mehdi off balance the whole time with no power in his strikes, easy pickings for a Saenchai who probably hadn’t hit the gym in the 6 days since the Penek fight. Although he dominated the Penek fight Saenchai probably picked up damage that he had to carrying into this fight. Seanchi reaffirming Thai dominance in a two tier international MT system of the Thais light years ahead of everyone else! (That’s gonna piss some international kickboxing fans off but it’s the truth and it ain’t gonna change anytime soon!).

It’s funny when you hear guys like Floyd with the whole “Hard work and dedication!” thing, well there’s no denying Floyd is a quality fighter who lives in the gym and is at the top of his game, but the guy only fights twice a year and picks who he fights!! Saenchai just fought the roughest, toughest up and comer, Penek in Thailand where competition is fierce, he fought at 58kg and less than a week later is on a plane to Paris to fight a hungry French champ at 65kg!!!

I realise Floyd earns his PPV money in a sport that is much more popular in the world and so he deserves his dough, and belive me I don't begrudge any fighter anywhere getting paid well. However, it drives you nuts to compare cos we all know Seanchai ‘s just as gifted in MT as Floyd is in Boxing, but Saenchai and the hordes of Thais before him and after him have been fighting as pros probably since the age of about 8 or 10 living in boxing camps for most of their childhood and adult life religiously training twice a day, 6 days a week, year in year out. These guys don’t have the luxury of any kind of choice, they’re basically commodities of their gyms and have little say in who or when they fight, no soft fights for these guys until they come west! Guys like Saenchai will fight anyone anywhere, anyhow, and the most he probably ever gets paid is 300,000 baht around $10,000 US, along way behind Floyd’s 20 million per fight, kind of nuts but I agree it’s the way the world is. I’m not dissing Floyd, but it just shows what a topsy turvy world we live in and how our minds can be so easily manipulated by what we are told is good by people who seemingly know, but probably in actuality don’t.

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Boranbkk,

I fully agree with your last post, 100%. I love boxing as a sport and will always be a fan, but man, when I watch the life of a nak muay, I'm seriously blown away. It really is like the old school boxing world, where guys fought very regularly, champs had tune up fights in between title defenses, and it was common to see guys with 100's of fights. And as you said, if someone is fighting in Bangkok in any of the stadiums(Lumpinee, Rajadamnern, Omnoi, Channel 7), there are no easy fights.
I know Naruenat and Thongchai are closing in on their 40's and still fighting on the Bangkok circuit. To be fighting at that level for that long, is mindblowing. They're the Archie Moore's of Thai boxing.

I really do wish, how great it would be if it was institutionalized into the Thai fight world that all pro fighters undergo a decent education in investment, economics and money mangament.
These guys live hard lives, fight all their lives, and often times I hear/read stories that quite a few of em end up with not much to show for what they've sacrificed. I don't know the politics behind how the Thai fight scene is, but if Buakaw's recent troubles are indicative of how things or normally ran, that's a damn shame.
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I'm very surprised (and happy) that two fighters are the highest paid athletes in the world.

As far as saenchai getting paid more, it seems that the more someone fights the more they dilute their appeal to the public. They say it takes 6 months to promote a super fight, Pacquiao and Mayweather only have superfights. Thus 1 -2 fights a year. It sometimes as a fan, hard to follow all the fights saenchai has.

Look at top MMA fighters. none of the ufc champions except jones had more than 2 fights in 2011. MMA fighters used to compete more. this is the economic structure, its not the best for fans, not really the best for the fighters since it is such an exclusive club that get to achieve this status. But for the few fighters that can it seems their is no end to the amount of money they can make.

Seanchai is every bit as skilled as Mayweather or pac (perhaps morso). But Muaythai while probably being one of the most competitive combat sports, at least in the lower weightclasses, where Seanchai competes, doesnt have the right presentation to appeal to a global market on the scale that boxing and MMA does.

I gotta say though, I dont see saenchai as being one of those guys that has nothing at the end of his career. I imagine he will be in high demand after he decides to retire from competition.
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